Advanced MUD Concepts

Threshold · 05-08-2002, 01:35 AM

There is enough real flaming on the internet that one should not label the sharing of one's opinions as FLAMING simply because they are contrary to someone else.

It is my belief, that anyone who feels Neverwinter Nights is "revolutionary" is not very well educated in the history of gaming- and especially not in the history of online gaming.

Furthermore, I think it is perfectly legitimate to question the talent, means, and experience of anyone who cannot even secure quality web space, and thus has to use pop-up/pop-under driven geo****ties to host a page.

When sorting out the wheat from the chaff online, one of the main things you look for is credibility. A complete lack of basic historical knowledge about gaming and the use of geocities creates a significant LACK of credibility.

Alexander Tau · 05-08-2002, 04:48 AM

"It is my belief, that anyone who feels Neverwinter Nights is "revolutionary" is not very well
educated in the history of gaming- and especially not in the history of online gaming."

You are entitled to it, however to assume because you disagree with me that
I am not well versed in the history and depth of games is simply incorrect. Even
people with the exact same background can have a difference of opinion.

"Furthermore, I think it is perfectly legitimate to question the talent, means,
and experience of anyone who cannot even secure quality web space, and
thus has to use pop-up/pop-under driven geo****ties to host a page. "

By making that statement you prove a couple of things, first that you do not
really read very carefully before you launch into this sort of thing, and second
by your continued use of the rude GeoCities spelling that you are rather crude.

One last time, please try to read it.

The GeoCities Site is my PERSONAL page, a couple of the original docs are
available there. The GDG Site is hosted on a PRIVATE LEASED DOMAIN that
was DONATED to the GDG. Got it now?

"A complete lack of basic historical knowledge about gaming and the use of
geocities creates a significant LACK of credibility. "

That is just the most amazing conclusion, and one that is backed up
by nothing whatsoever, have you ever heard of the scientific method?

Are we done with this now?

A.T
(-)

Alexander Tau · 05-08-2002, 05:33 AM

Since I am obviously a bit annoyed at the moment, I am going
to say something I intended not to.

Does it strike anyone as Ironic that I am being so harshly questioned
in a Forum that is my very own creation?

I pitched the idea of an 'Advanced Mud Concepts' forum to Syn, and
was the orginial Moderator. If I am lying then it will come out rather
quickly will it not?

I thought about 4 years ago that enough development had continued
on MU*s despite dire warnings of death that something like this Forum
was a worthy idea. Still around, score one for me.

Threashold,

You started out with a fairly reasonable tone, but you just assumed I
wa a fool and did not ask me anything, this is disturbing. Do you really
know NWN? Have you read the faq, tech info, to really get the full
picture? If you have and you think it is just another kinda nice game
then I accept that opinion. I think differently of course.

A.T
(-)

Threshold · 05-08-2002, 09:29 AM

Aha. Now this whole forum was "your idea."

Because lord knows, the idea of an advanced mud concepts discussion area was never conceived of before.

A certain mailing list called mud dev springs to mind.

The way you try to take credit for things does nothing but further undermine your motives and your credibility.

Vitaly · 05-08-2002, 10:58 AM

Ari's crude? What gave you such a horrible idea??

I wonder if he knows that the meaning of "dicussion" is not "flaming". Probably not.

Oh well.

visko · 05-08-2002, 08:48 PM

I think we've strayed from the point a bit...

Remember: we're talking about GDG. Whatever Tau's credentials/lack thereof, let's stick to the point of the thread.

-Visko

Alexander Tau · 05-09-2002, 04:24 PM

Thank you Visko,

The Game Directors Guild is doing quite well. People have been picking
KaVir's brain non-stop, and we have recirenly added a couple members
who have significant professional game backgrounds.

I have to apologize for allowing myself to be drawn into these stupid
debates, in any group of people, even the exceptional one here, there
are always a couple of fools who just have to jump on others.

A.T
(-)

Synozeer · 05-10-2002, 01:02 AM

Just a note:

Alexander Tau was a member of TopMudSites.com when it first went up, and he was a very active and contributing member of the forum. He also did indeed suggest the creation of this Advanced Mud Concepts forum because he felt there needed to be a place dedicated to discussing these "higher" concepts.

-Synozeer

Steiner · 05-10-2002, 11:10 AM

I read this thread backwards, since the flaming on the last page was so much fun, I slowly worked my way to the actual POINT.

Threshold, call it what you want, but focussing on the hosting of AT's website is kind of sad. Why don't you go insult his car, and tell him that makes him worthless to the MUD community.

I usually don't really get involved in these types of posts, simply because I dont have the time anymore, and dont want to deal with ego vs. ego. However in this case, it directly affects me, since not only has AT been very helpful to me, but I myself am a game director.

You know how much experience I have creating a game? Little to none. Does that completely destroy my credibility when I have an opinion on something? I'm working my hardest to collect staff, resources, ideas, and support. It doesn't take 10+ years experience to do that. Will I make mistakes? Sure. But I AM entitled to my opinion, and it shouldn't be flushed down the toilet. The same applies to AT who has MUCH more experience than the average MUDder.

IF you have an opinion on his website hosting, on his experience, or on his opinions, it's usually NOT helping the Advanced MUD Concept board. Thats where being an adult, or at least being a mature human being comes into play. Calling it "geo****ties" reflects the fact that you can't keep your opinion in a moderate tone, and show a certain amount of a decency or respect to the person posting.

Try and treat the person who starts posts like this, or any posts in the forum, as if they are standing on a stage in front of a large crowd of people, which isn't that far from truth in a way. You wouldn't yell "You idiot! Look at that yellow tie! Im not listening to anything you say." The same applies here. Ask questions that will be productive, make suggestions, even point out things that might be problematic or you disagree with. But going to attack a person that makes the post outright, is not only immaturely idiotic, but doesn't serve to improve anything.

This might have been just a bit off topic, and for that I apologize. Unfortunately, things like this have to be addressed if this is going to be a productive forum, and not just a flaming attack free-for-all.

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05-08-2002, 01:35 AM	#31
Threshold Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 698	There is enough real flaming on the internet that one should not label the sharing of one's opinions as FLAMING simply because they are contrary to someone else. It is my belief, that anyone who feels Neverwinter Nights is "revolutionary" is not very well educated in the history of gaming- and especially not in the history of online gaming. Furthermore, I think it is perfectly legitimate to question the talent, means, and experience of anyone who cannot even secure quality web space, and thus has to use pop-up/pop-under driven geo****ties to host a page. When sorting out the wheat from the chaff online, one of the main things you look for is credibility. A complete lack of basic historical knowledge about gaming and the use of geocities creates a significant LACK of credibility.

05-08-2002, 04:48 AM	#32
Alexander Tau Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 101	"It is my belief, that anyone who feels Neverwinter Nights is "revolutionary" is not very well educated in the history of gaming- and especially not in the history of online gaming." You are entitled to it, however to assume because you disagree with me that I am not well versed in the history and depth of games is simply incorrect. Even people with the exact same background can have a difference of opinion. "Furthermore, I think it is perfectly legitimate to question the talent, means, and experience of anyone who cannot even secure quality web space, and thus has to use pop-up/pop-under driven geo****ties to host a page. " By making that statement you prove a couple of things, first that you do not really read very carefully before you launch into this sort of thing, and second by your continued use of the rude GeoCities spelling that you are rather crude. One last time, please try to read it. The GeoCities Site is my PERSONAL page, a couple of the original docs are available there. The GDG Site is hosted on a PRIVATE LEASED DOMAIN that was DONATED to the GDG. Got it now? "A complete lack of basic historical knowledge about gaming and the use of geocities creates a significant LACK of credibility. " That is just the most amazing conclusion, and one that is backed up by nothing whatsoever, have you ever heard of the scientific method? Are we done with this now? A.T (-)

05-08-2002, 05:33 AM	#33
Alexander Tau Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 101	Since I am obviously a bit annoyed at the moment, I am going to say something I intended not to. Does it strike anyone as Ironic that I am being so harshly questioned in a Forum that is my very own creation? I pitched the idea of an 'Advanced Mud Concepts' forum to Syn, and was the orginial Moderator. If I am lying then it will come out rather quickly will it not? I thought about 4 years ago that enough development had continued on MU*s despite dire warnings of death that something like this Forum was a worthy idea. Still around, score one for me. Threashold, You started out with a fairly reasonable tone, but you just assumed I wa a fool and did not ask me anything, this is disturbing. Do you really know NWN? Have you read the faq, tech info, to really get the full picture? If you have and you think it is just another kinda nice game then I accept that opinion. I think differently of course. A.T (-)

05-08-2002, 09:29 AM	#34
Threshold Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 698	Aha. Now this whole forum was "your idea." Because lord knows, the idea of an advanced mud concepts discussion area was never conceived of before. A certain mailing list called mud dev springs to mind. The way you try to take credit for things does nothing but further undermine your motives and your credibility.

05-08-2002, 10:58 AM	#35
Vitaly New Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1	Ari's crude? What gave you such a horrible idea?? I wonder if he knows that the meaning of "dicussion" is not "flaming". Probably not. Oh well.

05-08-2002, 08:48 PM	#36
visko Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 98	I think we've strayed from the point a bit... Remember: we're talking about GDG. Whatever Tau's credentials/lack thereof, let's stick to the point of the thread. -Visko

05-09-2002, 04:24 PM	#37
Alexander Tau Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 101	Thank you Visko, The Game Directors Guild is doing quite well. People have been picking KaVir's brain non-stop, and we have recirenly added a couple members who have significant professional game backgrounds. I have to apologize for allowing myself to be drawn into these stupid debates, in any group of people, even the exceptional one here, there are always a couple of fools who just have to jump on others. A.T (-)

05-10-2002, 01:02 AM	#38
Synozeer Super Administrators Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 59	Just a note: Alexander Tau was a member of TopMudSites.com when it first went up, and he was a very active and contributing member of the forum. He also did indeed suggest the creation of this Advanced Mud Concepts forum because he felt there needed to be a place dedicated to discussing these "higher" concepts. -Synozeer

05-10-2002, 11:10 AM	#39
Steiner Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 31	I read this thread backwards, since the flaming on the last page was so much fun, I slowly worked my way to the actual POINT. Threshold, call it what you want, but focussing on the hosting of AT's website is kind of sad. Why don't you go insult his car, and tell him that makes him worthless to the MUD community. I usually don't really get involved in these types of posts, simply because I dont have the time anymore, and dont want to deal with ego vs. ego. However in this case, it directly affects me, since not only has AT been very helpful to me, but I myself am a game director. You know how much experience I have creating a game? Little to none. Does that completely destroy my credibility when I have an opinion on something? I'm working my hardest to collect staff, resources, ideas, and support. It doesn't take 10+ years experience to do that. Will I make mistakes? Sure. But I AM entitled to my opinion, and it shouldn't be flushed down the toilet. The same applies to AT who has MUCH more experience than the average MUDder. IF you have an opinion on his website hosting, on his experience, or on his opinions, it's usually NOT helping the Advanced MUD Concept board. Thats where being an adult, or at least being a mature human being comes into play. Calling it "geo****ties" reflects the fact that you can't keep your opinion in a moderate tone, and show a certain amount of a decency or respect to the person posting. Try and treat the person who starts posts like this, or any posts in the forum, as if they are standing on a stage in front of a large crowd of people, which isn't that far from truth in a way. You wouldn't yell "You idiot! Look at that yellow tie! Im not listening to anything you say." The same applies here. Ask questions that will be productive, make suggestions, even point out things that might be problematic or you disagree with. But going to attack a person that makes the post outright, is not only immaturely idiotic, but doesn't serve to improve anything. This might have been just a bit off topic, and for that I apologize. Unfortunately, things like this have to be addressed if this is going to be a productive forum, and not just a flaming attack free-for-all.