[DonathinFrye]

Originally Posted by Unfortunately, the moderators of this particular forum on TMS don't seem to have a problem with off-topic insults, which is their right, of course. --matt

Jesus - everything you post is like poison, Matt. Can we all get back on topic, please? The topic is advertising for MUDs that do NOT sell perks for money. Matt's continual attempts to derail this conversation succeed unless we either get moderation or(preferrably) everyone ignores his off-topic underhandedness. I, myself, have a hard time doing this when his posts are so frustratingly anti-community; however, I think it's in all of our best interests for this particular thread.

Thanks Ild - that organization is good. I'll try to help pound out the links to those games' websites and ports, for easier connection access.

[Traveler]

Wow, Matt really is the Dick Cheney & Halliburton of MUDing.

Anyway, thanks for the list, I hope to be checking out some of these games soon. This is what community is about.

[Anitra]

Originally Posted by Unfortunately, the moderators of this particular forum on TMS don't seem to have a problem with off-topic insults, which is their right, of course. --matt

Well, it was your choice to move the thread to another Forum. Maybe not as smart a choice as you thought.

[the_logos]

Originally Posted by (DonathinFrye @ April 12 2006,17:59) Jesus - everything you post is like poison, Matt. Can we all get back on topic, please? The topic is advertising for MUDs that do NOT sell perks for money. Matt's continual attempts to derail this conversation succeed unless we either get moderation or(preferrably) everyone ignores his off-topic underhandedness. I, myself, have a hard time doing this when his posts are so frustratingly anti-community; however, I think it's in all of our best interests for this particular thread.

Is it possible for you to post without lobbing off-topic insults?

--matt

[the_logos]

Originally Posted by (Anitra @ April 12 2006,19:28) Well, it was your choice to move the thread to another Forum. Maybe not as smart a choice as you thought.

Why? It's not my thread that's being derailed with the insults. If I were the topic poster, I'd be pretty annoyed with those trying to make someone else (me) the subject of the thread.

--matt

[Ilkidarios]

Did anybody see the updated list?  Do you guys think the MUD url's should be posted on the list as well as the name?

[prof1515]

Originally Posted by (the_logos @ April 12 2006,20:00) Originally Posted by (Anitra @ April 12 2006,19:28) Well, it was your choice to move the thread to another Forum. Maybe not as smart a choice as you thought. Why? It's not my thread that's being derailed with the insults. If I were the topic poster, I'd be pretty annoyed with those trying to make someone else (me) the subject of the thread. --matt

I think she expressed her dissatisfaction with the person who derailed this topic when she posted this. Quite the sorry attempt to play victim after being the one to initiate digression to attack another MUD. The only people that buy that constant "I'm a victim" story are the ones accustomed to buying things from you. And I'm not just talking your bull**** on the forums of course.

My apologies to Anitra though that this unfortunate derailment has gone on as long as it has (and we all know this likely won't be the last time Matt tries to derail a topic about something he feels threatened by, like free MUDs). As far as the list is concerned, all the MUDs I can think of immediately (without checking to be sure) are presently covered on the list.

Take care,

Jason

[DonathinFrye]

Originally Posted by Did anybody see the updated list? Do you guys think the MUD url's should be posted on the list as well as the name?

I like the list. I think we should definitely add website url's and connection info(link and port number) for each, that way we can keep this thread updated and people can have easy access.

Later on, perhaps we could even add a one line summary of each game? What do you think, would that be too much?

If on the front post, we had an edited alphabetical list with website info, connection info, and a one-line summary of each game - it would be a huge benefit to people looking for 100% Free MUDs,

[the_logos]

Originally Posted by I think she expressed her dissatisfaction with the person who derailed this topic when she posted this.

Certainly she expressed her dissatisfaction, but it wasn't over a derailment. My posts in reply to her made a factual correction to a claim she made and then posited that what she was saying was not really what she meant. In both cases, I was commenting directly on what the original poster posted. Not off-topic. The resulting insults from the original poster, you, and others, off-topic. In no way was I the topic of the thread, and yet you and others have done your best to ensure that I am the topic of the thread, which is completely off-topic.

Originally Posted by and we all know this likely won't be the last time Matt tries to derail a topic about something he feels threatened by, like free MUDs).

I love free MUDs. Our company runs four of them. No reason to feel threatened.



--matt

[DonathinFrye]

I, again, as hard as he makes it, encourage the readers of this thread not to respond to Matt's off-topic comments and let us brainstorm on how we can best advertise here(and elsewhere) with our growing list of quality 100% Free MUDs.

[Valg]

Originally Posted by (the_logos @ April 12 2006,20:00) Why? It's not my thread that's being derailed with the insults. If I were the topic poster, I'd be pretty annoyed with those trying to make someone else (me) the subject of the thread.

There's one poster continually trying to derail Anitra's post, and it isn't Anitra. She's trying to make a list of games that fit her criteria, and you just barge in repeatedly with off-topic potshots based on technicalities. You push, other people push back, then you complain that they pushed back.

I try to use a light touch when moderating here, but if one person is the source of the problems, the answer isn't to fix everyone else.

[Valg]

Further derailment snipped.

The thread is under "Advertising for Players", with the subject "Muds that do NOT sell perks for money". If you want to talk about bribing players, advertising definitions, the woes of your persecution, and the like, please go elsewhere.

[nass]

Ilkidarios, your latest list doesn't seem to be the same as the other lists. For example MUME and Wheel of Time MUD aren't on there, they were on the earlier ones.

[DonathinFrye]

Ild - good job on the lists, but also there are not Resident Evil: Reincarnate and .Dimension 2

P.S.

Thanks Valq.

[Anitra]

the_logos wrote: April 12 2006,21:26

Originally Posted by I love free MUDs. Our company runs four of them.

Sorry, Matt, we are not going to add your pay-for-perks Muds to the list of FREE Muds.

Here is the updated list now, with the URLs (login first, then Website).
If I missed any I apologise, it wasn't intentional. We can get it right the next time the list is posted.

Because there will be a next time. This list is a resource that I think should stay on the Main Page as long as possible, since it offers a real resource to potential players.
I like Donathin's idea about a one line characterisation for each mud on the list.

CRITERIA
1. No in game advantages are sold by the Administrators for RL money
2. The mud is fully operational and well established
3. The mud has qualities that distinguish it from the large mass of mostly-stock muds

4 Dimensions - 4dimensions.org:6000 - http://4dimensions.org
Aabahran - 216.136.9.8:1848 - http://www.forsakenlands.org
Abandoned Realms - 204.209.44.8:9000 - http://abandonedrealms.wolfpaw.net
Adventures Unlimited - tharel.net:5005 - http://www.tharel.net
Armageddon - ginka.armageddon.org:4050 - http://www.armageddon.org/intro/adpage.html
Avendar - avendar.com:9999 - http://www.avendar.com
Awakened Worlds - awakenedworlds.net:4000 - http://www.awakenedworlds.net
Carrion Fields - carrionfields.com:9999 - http://www.carrionfields.com
Clandestine - mud.clandestinemud.com:9476 - http://mud.clandestinemud.com
Discworld - discworld.atuin.net:23 - http://discworld.atuin.net
Dimension 2 - asj.mudmagic.com:6666 - http://asj.mudmagic.com
Everwar - everwar.dune.net:4242 - http://www.everwar.net/
Godwars II - godwars2.com:3000 - http://www.godwars2.com
Harshlands - muddled.harshlands.net:5555 - http://www.harshlands.net
Legendmud - legendmud.org:9999 - http://www.legendmud.org
Medieval Times - mud.lordtrox.com:8500 - http://www.lordtrox.com
MUME - mume.pvv.org:23 - http://mume.pvv.org
Realms of Despair - realms.game.org:4000 - http://www.realmsofdespair.com
Resident Evil:Outbreak - tyro.genesismuds.com:5300 - http://tyro.genesismuds.com
Shadows of Isildur - middle-earth.us:23 - http://www.middle-earth.us
Shattered Kingdoms - mud.shatteredkingdoms.org:1996 - http://www.shatteredkingdoms.org
Sloth mud - slothmud.org:6101 - http://www.slothmud.org
The secret of Atlas - atlasmud.com:4445 - http://atlasmud.com
Wheel of Time MUD - 207.234.147.46:2222 - http://www.wotmud.org/
Unwritten legends - www.unwritten.net:6666 - http://www.unwritten.net
Zebedee - www.zebedee.org:7000 - http://www.zebedee.org

[nass]

Although I suggested this before and the muds wern't interested at the time (5? or so years ago), I wonder if the time is ripe again to suggest taking this further and building a site around it. This is something I typically do commercially, with the big idea being that the site is a landing page for web queries - for for example "free rpg", "free mud" etc. It's perfectly doable but it'll take at least 20 or so muds cooperating to get any real results.

The big idea here is to have all the muds point a few pages towards this site, to have pages listing these muds but to make the display order random, so that no site gets any intended advantage. Where it floundered last time was the question of 'but we send more traffic so we expect to be featured more', which is a reasonable point but I really can't be doing with the hassle of counting votes etc.

How about I get a basic demo put up on the wot site, and if you guys think it's worth the effort then we can look at purchasing a toplevel domain for it etc.

[Valg]

Originally Posted by (nass @ April 13 2006,03:30) How about I get a basic demo put up on the wot site, and if you guys think it's worth the effort then we can look at purchasing a toplevel domain for it etc.

I'd certainly use such a site. The key is to not make redundant resources (thus diluting all sites), but it doesn't sound like you're doing that. Any number of analogues exist in the philanthropy community to help volunteers find organizations and provide some visibility for both.

If you get to the point of purchasing a domain, drop me an email.