Bugs and Suggestions

WarHound · 07-21-2004, 01:26 PM

I have a request that someone nail the recently posted Legends of the Lance review, in which the poster makes alot of crap insults, namely a hsot against Jews.

It makes me sick that even here, on MU*'s where there is no color or races that bigot morons can still spew their filth and hate.

Get a clue little man. If the admin at Legends of the Lance got rid of idiots like you, they are on the right track, because you would obviously only ruin the experience for those of us who don't have **** for brains. I'll be trying LotL now.

the_logos · 07-21-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by (WarHound @ July 21 2004,13:26)

It makes me sick that even here, on MU*'s where there is no color or races that bigot morons can still spew their filth and hate.

What? Most muds have multiple races and most muds are EXTREMELY racist. Nearly all muds ascribe certain personality traits universally to specific races, intelligence (or the lack thereof) to specific races, and so on. That's the very epitomy of racism.

--matt

Amnon · 07-21-2004, 04:08 PM

Talking about different kinds of races here... You're saying "Don't say dogs are less intelligent than people!", but the original post claimed "Don't say person A is less intelligent than person B just because he believes in the Torah or has a different skin color"

Angie · 07-21-2004, 05:34 PM

The Rise of the Dragonarmies reviews are even worse.

I agree they should be removed.

the_logos · 07-21-2004, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by (Amnon @ July 21 2004,16:08)

Talking about different kinds of races here... You're saying "Don't say dogs are less intelligent than people!", but the original post claimed "Don't say person A is less intelligent than person B just because he believes in the Torah or has a different skin color"

Oh? We have multiple types of a particular race (Tsol'aa) in Achaea, for instance, and regularly ascribe specific traits to them. The Tsol'teth branch, for instance, is evil. The Tsol'dasi branch is good. Highly racist.

Fantasy books and worlds engage in this kind of thing all the time.

--matt

WarHound · 07-21-2004, 05:43 PM

Fair enough, logos, I'll rephrase:

It shocks me that even here, in the world of Mu*'s, with a plethora of opportunitys to spread hate and racism in a fantasy setting, that some people still bring their RL prejudices and bigotry.

Better?

the_logos · 07-21-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by (WarHound @ July 21 2004,17:43)

Fair enough, logos, I'll rephrase:

It shocks me that even here, in the world of Mu*'s, with a plethora of opportunitys to spread hate and racism in a fantasy setting, that some people still bring their RL prejudices and bigotry.

Better?

Heh heh, yes. Let's burn the dwarves, not the Eskimos. I'm with you.

--matt, dwarf hater.

Gemini · 07-21-2004, 07:41 PM

Yes indeed, it does make me sick. Luckily, on one of the MUD's i play, the one that acutally attracts alot of people like that (for who knows what reason) severly punishes racism. Listen, this is the way i see it. Sure your allowed to have your own view, but if it is gerally un-accepted, then keep your mouth shut. Most people MUD to get away from all the things we dont like in real life

But yeah, im a victim of MUDracism. Im curently the only Troll on the prior mentioned MUD, and i never stop getting **** about it. In the worlds of Welkasre, "TROLL POWER!!"

Treestump · 07-22-2004, 10:45 AM

I agree that there are definitely problems with the review system here. Two suggestions I would make:

When viewing a review, add a link to "report" the review to the webmater or whoever is in charge of the site. Anything vulgar, obscene or otherwise unacceptable could be easily relayed to the staff for removal.

Secondly, give viewers the ability to "rate" a review. Places like Amazon use this procedure. Reviews are then listed not in chronological order, but based on their rating. This way poorly written reviews (short, no facts, etc) will get pushed to the bottom of the review list.

the_logos · 07-22-2004, 04:10 PM

Or you could just ignore them given that they have no value as reviews. =)

Valg · 07-22-2004, 11:29 PM

Or you could just ignore them given that they have no value as reviews. =)

Yes, but you have to click through the chaff to get to the useful information. The advantage to the 'ranking' system is that it saves you time, not that it provides you insight into any one particular review.

Gemini · 07-22-2004, 11:34 PM

the problem i see with this is that people would always rank down bad reviews to their mud, even if it their points are valid and well thought out. ####, maybe even give rewards of other doing it. ya never know

John · 07-23-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by (the_logos @ July 22 2004,16:10)

Or you could just ignore them given that they have no value as reviews. =)

None of the "reviews" have value as reviews

the_logos · 07-23-2004, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by (John @ July 23 2004,00:47)

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_logos,July 22 2004,16:10

Or you could just ignore them given that they have no value as reviews. =)

None of the "reviews" have value as reviews

That's exactly what I said!

--matt

John · 07-23-2004, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (the_logos @ July 23 2004,03:25)

That's exactly what I said!

I thought you meant the reviews that the original poster was talking about (the one bigots in them

). I on the other hand was talking about all the reviews.

It's actually pretty annoying. I went looking for some good reviews for the game I play, to perhaps ask the webmaster if she thought putting them on the website would be a good idea. Only to find out all of them are advertisements rather then reviews.

the_logos · 07-23-2004, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (John @ July 23 2004,04:54)

I thought you meant the reviews that the original poster was talking about (the one bigots in them

). I on the other hand was talking about all the reviews.

It's actually pretty annoying. I went looking for some good reviews for the game I play, to perhaps ask the webmaster if she thought putting them on the website would be a good idea. Only to find out all of them are advertisements rather then reviews.

Yep. I don't really understand why TMS bothers having them.

--matt

Brody · 07-23-2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by (the_logos @ July 23 2004,14:22)

Quote:

Originally Posted by (John @ July 23 2004,04:54)

I thought you meant the reviews that the original poster was talking about (the one bigots in them

). I on the other hand was talking about all the reviews.

It's actually pretty annoying. I went looking for some good reviews for the game I play, to perhaps ask the webmaster if she thought putting them on the website would be a good idea. Only to find out all of them are advertisements rather then reviews.

Yep. I don't really understand why TMS bothers having them.

--matt

Well, I can see why TMS bothers having them. They're player reviews and they generate traffic to this site. Whether they're high quality, accurate or objective is beside the point. They simply provide another interactive aspect for TMS.

Valg · 07-23-2004, 05:37 PM

I've found a number of the Carrion Fields reviews to be very useful in describing our game to potential new players. Likely more than half. They also tend to hit topics besides what we usually talk about in our promotional material, and I appreciate that they give a broader perspective.

A sorting system would help de-emphasize the less useful reviews. If you don't find the reviews for your game useful to anyone, or if you've disallowed reviews, a sorting system doesn't hurt you, in any event. Go find something else to complain about.

07-21-2004, 01:26 PM	#1
WarHound Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Locked in a place where no one goes... Posts: 169	I have a request that someone nail the recently posted Legends of the Lance review, in which the poster makes alot of crap insults, namely a hsot against Jews. It makes me sick that even here, on MU's where there is no color or races that bigot morons can still spew their filth and hate. Get a clue little man. If the admin at Legends of the Lance got rid of idiots like you, they are on the right track, because you would obviously only ruin the experience for those of us who don't have *** for brains. I'll be trying LotL now.

07-21-2004, 04:08 PM	#3
Amnon Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 140	Talking about different kinds of races here... You're saying "Don't say dogs are less intelligent than people!", but the original post claimed "Don't say person A is less intelligent than person B just because he believes in the Torah or has a different skin color"

07-21-2004, 05:34 PM	#4
Angie Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Prague Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 131	The Rise of the Dragonarmies reviews are even worse. I agree they should be removed.

07-21-2004, 05:43 PM	#6
WarHound Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Locked in a place where no one goes... Posts: 169	Fair enough, logos, I'll rephrase: It shocks me that even here, in the world of Mu*'s, with a plethora of opportunitys to spread hate and racism in a fantasy setting, that some people still bring their RL prejudices and bigotry. Better?

07-21-2004, 07:41 PM	#8
Gemini Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 97	Yes indeed, it does make me sick. Luckily, on one of the MUD's i play, the one that acutally attracts alot of people like that (for who knows what reason) severly punishes racism. Listen, this is the way i see it. Sure your allowed to have your own view, but if it is gerally un-accepted, then keep your mouth shut. Most people MUD to get away from all the things we dont like in real life But yeah, im a victim of MUDracism. Im curently the only Troll on the prior mentioned MUD, and i never stop getting **** about it. In the worlds of Welkasre, "TROLL POWER!!"

07-22-2004, 10:45 AM	#9
Treestump Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 40	I agree that there are definitely problems with the review system here. Two suggestions I would make: When viewing a review, add a link to "report" the review to the webmater or whoever is in charge of the site. Anything vulgar, obscene or otherwise unacceptable could be easily relayed to the staff for removal. Secondly, give viewers the ability to "rate" a review. Places like Amazon use this procedure. Reviews are then listed not in chronological order, but based on their rating. This way poorly written reviews (short, no facts, etc) will get pushed to the bottom of the review list.

07-22-2004, 04:10 PM	#10
the_logos Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,101	Or you could just ignore them given that they have no value as reviews. =)

07-22-2004, 11:29 PM	#11
Valg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 637	Or you could just ignore them given that they have no value as reviews. =) Yes, but you have to click through the chaff to get to the useful information. The advantage to the 'ranking' system is that it saves you time, not that it provides you insight into any one particular review.

07-22-2004, 11:34 PM	#12
Gemini Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 97	the problem i see with this is that people would always rank down bad reviews to their mud, even if it their points are valid and well thought out. ####, maybe even give rewards of other doing it. ya never know

07-23-2004, 05:37 PM	#18
Valg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 637	I've found a number of the Carrion Fields reviews to be very useful in describing our game to potential new players. Likely more than half. They also tend to hit topics besides what we usually talk about in our promotional material, and I appreciate that they give a broader perspective. A sorting system would help de-emphasize the less useful reviews. If you don't find the reviews for your game useful to anyone, or if you've disallowed reviews, a sorting system doesn't hurt you, in any event. Go find something else to complain about.

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