[locke]

Originally Posted by Baram That file wouldn't need it, but if ANY piece (even one line) of the whole game was taken from DIKU then it is a derivative and must follow the license (put them in the credits, etc). I look at it in the same way that the USG does security classification, if I have a 100 page document and 1 sentance is SECRET then the whole document is SECRET (and I just mark which one is, ie put the DIKU license on that page of the source).

Maybe you should read about how fair use applies considering what you have said is not true. If it was true, the use of the function "str_cmp()" would mean that any program using str_cmp() would be under the Diku license. It's not the case. The function "str_cmp()" in Diku is licensed under Diku, but is actually taken from another library and placed into the Diku source when it was released as Merc to avoid compatibility problems. However, it's part of the body of work of DikuMUD now. So if I use "str_cmp()" and fail to credit Diku, or Merc, or whomever, it's basically not possible to contend that the newly licensed software is somehow "violating" Diku licensing and the new software is not required to follow the Diku license at all.

[Samson]

Then you should have thought of that before stealing the code, yes?

[locke]

Originally Posted by Samson Then you should have thought of that before stealing the code, yes?

I was referring to his example where he says, erroneously, that even a single line of code requires a license. It just isn't done that way, otherwise new media works wouldn't be able to quote older media works.

Stop making unfounded claims about "theft" - again, a word that Hans Henrik Staerfeldt doesn't even use to describe "violating a software license". And no, this is not an admission but merely an observation that your two remaining braincells are having difficulty making.

[KaVir]

Originally Posted by locke Maybe you should read about how fair use applies considering what you have said is not true.

The fair use doctrine allows you to use limited portions of a work for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. It's not there to let you strip the copyright notices from someone else's work and pass it off as your own.

[Baram]

Now you're grasping at straws. What is func str_cmp()? Is a function written by the Diku team as part of Diku, or is it part of some library they used (which would have its own license, or be released into the public domain).

I'm quite sure it is the later. In which case if you take the line from Diku where they call that function, then THAT line is under the Diku license.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by locke Stop making unfounded claims about "theft" - again, a word that Hans Henrik Staerfeldt doesn't even use to describe "violating a software license". And no, this is not an admission but merely an observation that your two remaining braincells are having difficulty making.

As soon as the claims become unfounded, me and my two brain cells (which are doing just fine, thanks) will stop making them.

This isn't really about trying to get you to change. It's about making sure other people who might unwittingly believe your lies don't get burned at the stake later as code thieves if someone comes along to work on their stuff and sees the credits have all been stripped.

[locke]

Originally Posted by Baram Now you're grasping at straws. What is func str_cmp()? Is a function written by the Diku team as part of Diku, or is it part of some library they used (which would have its own license, or be released into the public domain). I'm quite sure it is the later. In which case if you take the line from Diku where they call that function, then THAT line is under the Diku license.

Still doesn't provide enough substance to warrant following a Diku license.

if ( !str_cmp(buf, "open") ) return buf;

on its own, is not owned by Diku. Diku Group -- not the university -- owns the body of work called DikuMUD. It's not the Diku license, but the Diku Group's license. Anyway, go on living in your delusion, I'm outta here. *wave*

[Samson]

Actually it's been said more than once that the license is the way it is because they used university resources to develop the codebase. So it could well be the university's license.

In either case, you're still a code thief for violating that license no matter who actually has controlling interest in it.

[locke]

Originally Posted by Samson Actually it's been said more than once that the license is the way it is because they used university resources to develop the codebase. So it could well be the university's license. In either case, you're still a code thief for violating that license no matter who actually has controlling interest in it.

Except, even the owner of DikuMUD who still works at the university said calling me a thief is just plain wrong.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by locke Except, even the owner of DikuMUD who still works at the university said calling me a thief is just plain wrong.

Except for how you're full of crap because they both called Vryce a thief for doing the same thing you did. Stripping credits. The fact that Vryce then started charging money for stuff wasn't relevant.

BTW, thought you said you were leaving? Oh, that's right, you lied again. How nice.

[locke]

Originally Posted by Samson Except for how you're full of crap because they both called Vryce a thief for doing the same thing you did. Stripping credits. The fact that Vryce then started charging money for stuff wasn't relevant.

I think it was relevant that Vryce made money. In fact, ask any lawyer, that changes the game tremendously and provides ground for remuneration which means that a lawsuit can happen a lot easier than if you are giving it away.

Originally Posted by Hans-Henrik Stærfeldt @ cbs.dtu.dk From herb-dot-gilliland@gmail.com : > I was wondering if you could write to me confirming if you and your friends > from DikuMUD hold the position that I have "stolen" this or not. If you > need any additional information about me or my software I'd be happy to > provide it. It is currently available at http://nimud.org Such issues are hard to understand without more information. It would be informative if you at least supplied me with your counterparts arguments so that i could test their merits against your own. Why exactly are they claiming you stole anything (I assume they mean that you are in violation of the license, instead of theft, which is not exactly equivalent legally)? > If you aren't the person I am trying to reach, I apologize for the > inconvenience. You have reached the corret person --Hans-Henrik Stærfeldt

[Samson]

Way to not tell him the true story and leave him wondering in the dark about WTF you were even asking. Instead, next time, refer him to the thread so he can see your thieving ways for himself - and what a liar you are for trying to imply that Hans endorses your behavior.

[locke]

Originally Posted by Samson Way to not tell him the true story and leave him wondering in the dark about WTF you were even asking. Instead, next time, refer him to the thread so he can see your thieving ways for himself - and what a liar you are for trying to imply that Hans endorses your behavior.

I already have referred him to the thread on June 25th.

[Samson]

Somehow I seriously doubt that. Did you bother to inform him you've also arbitrarily relicensed his software and that you stripped his credits from the code?

[locke]

Originally Posted by Samson Did you bother to inform him you've also arbitrarily relicensed his software

Yes, I told him I released my MUD, which is probably "10% similar to Merc or Diku" as AL 2.0 because none of the major code repositories for open source will host a Diku licensed piece of software.

Originally Posted by Samson and that you stripped his credits from the code?

I never have. In at least one place in the code, Diku credits have always appeared. If you download the latest version, you'll see how ludicrous your claim really is.

Samson, you're a real bully. Mourning the loss of my friend is not a ghoulish activity. Protecting his name on the credits for OLC is an act of devotion to a worthy companion who died way before his time at the tender age of 19.

InterMUD Communications (IMC) Protocol with Extensions to VRMLise MultiUser Domains (MUDs)

[Samson]

Nope. Not convinced you told him any such thing. Because I'm sure if you had he'd have given you a far different response than the one you claim he did.

Don't really know what the IMC link you put there has to do with you being a lying code thief either.