[Jericho1]

Well, I'm looking for a MUD with grappling/wrestling/locks/throws/etc.

Monks in Lusternia are close to what I'm looking for, but in true Lusternia fashion, like only 10% of the skills work on "denizens" (read: NPCs). So my Judo-based character immediately went sour.


Are there any MUDs out there with some sort of grappling class?



Thanks in advance.

[the_logos]

Originally Posted by Jericho1 Well, I'm looking for a MUD with grappling/wrestling/locks/throws/etc. Monks in Lusternia are close to what I'm looking for, but in true Lusternia fashion, like only 10% of the skills work on "denizens" (read: NPCs). So my Judo-based character immediately went sour. Are there any MUDs out there with some sort of grappling class? Thanks in advance.

I'd be personally fairly interested in a MUD that incorporated this well as I love Brazilian jiu-jitsu. The tough part are the different states/positions you can get into with an opponent and then dealing with how to integrate those with the rest of combat.

For instance, if I'm grappling with you on the ground and have you in guard (a grappling position that has both of us on the ground), both of us would be (in any reasonable world at least) about as vulnerable as one can be to a combatant standing nearby with a weapon.

One-off throws and that kind of thing are easy, of course, but the give-and-take physical chess of grappling is a whole other matter. If you do find a game that's implemented it well I'd be super-interested in seeing it. I haven't even seen a graphical game that does grappling well, regardless of budget (mainly due to problems with the UI. Grappling is too subtle to be easily mapped to the UI tools that exist.)

--matt

[DurNominator]

Assassins in Carrion Fields are pretty much a martial artist class, so it would work roleplay or PK-wise. The class is also newbie-friendly.

[Jericho1]

I see Assassins having... 2-3 throw-involved skills. It's something to consider. I really hate typical MUD-based combat, though.

Your punch MAIMs the rabbit!
Rabbit misses you!
Your punch MAIMs the rabbit!
Your punch MAIMs the rabbit!
Rabbit's bite scratches you.



D:



Any other MUDs with some semblance of grappling?

[the_logos]

Originally Posted by DurNominator Assassins in Carrion Fields are pretty much a martial artist class, so it would work roleplay or PK-wise. The class is also newbie-friendly.

Martial arts generically or grappling in particular? Stand-up Punching/throwing is completely different from grappling/ground-fighting/wrestling. The major difficulty is that the 'states' you get involved in necessarily involve constraining someone else into a state.

So, if you and I are fighting, for instance, and I enter into a cat stance, you're not really affected by that directly. You can still do everything you could do before regardless of whether I change my stance. In grappling, that's not the case. If I have you in the guard, you are constrained to being in my guard until you escape or until I switch to a different position like side-guard or mount. (The details of what those are aren't important, but they are each positions where two of you are on the ground struggling to either achieve better positional dominance, escape and stand up, or make the opponent submit via battering, joint locks, or chokes.)

The difficulty, to my mind, is that grappling involves lots of tiny alterations mid-move based on how your opponent is reacting. This is more or less unlike kicking and punching where you're pretty much throwing your fist/foot/shin/knee from point A to point B. If your opponent doesn't block or avoid, he gets hit. Pretty simple.

If I'm in your guard, on the other hand (meaning you are on your back, with your legs clinched around my waist as I sort of am kneeling between your legs), and try to escape by, say, peeling one of your legs off my shoulder and ducking my head under so that I'm now outside of your legs, there are at least a dozen responses you might make in the split second, and a dozen responses that I might then make to that response, etc etc.

Look around at some of the great fighting games out there (soul calibur, tekken, etc) and you'll find that none of them really involve grappling beyond the absolutely trivial level. It's just really hard to simulate with the input devices (keyboard+ mouse or console controller) we have available.

--matt

[Jericho1]

...Naw, not generic martial arts. Not there are many MUDs like that. I'd kill for a MUD with a system of kyokushin or shotokan based actual karate. Instead it's mostly SPINKICKS, JUMPKICKS, SWEEPKICKS. Even Assassin on Carrion Fields has a ton of chopsocky kicks. Rising Dragon Kick! Wow. :| /sarcasm


Just a system of grappling, even if it's as simple as "Grab ____", then being able to select between Slam, Toss, Jointlock, or Knee. Doesn't matter if it's martial arts based. I'd settle for a Greek system of hipthrows or a WWE-influenced (not a fan) suplex.

[scandum]

Lands of chaos might have what you're looking for if pk isn't an issue.