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I'm not losing the debate, I'm leaving it. Nothing has changed, so you are not a victor in it. I even talked to Hans Staerfeldt and he doesn't agree with you calling me a "thief" -- and I'm simply ending it because it is not a formal situation and it seems fruitless to argue with a bunch of idiots who nitpick and refute every single thing I say, and justify that by some illusory crime that has never even occurred. In your ****ed up world, punishment can be dealt for eternity for crimes that haven't even been proven, and part of that punishment is not listening to any contrarian evidence. Well, not only is that not fair, but it's harassment. Also, I didn't even come here to debate, I came here to announce.

Oh, and by the way, addressing OTHERS in the plural is not considered lying. Had you paid closer attention to my post, which you haven't done with any of my posts, you would notice that I mentioned only using "our" and "we" to discuss one-self is the criteria provided by the FBI.

Re: NiMUD 5 Re-released Under AL/GPL
 

Then please hurry up and go away, thief. We don't want you around here spreading your lies.

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It is not a lie that I am holding a contest for builders.

It is not a lie that I'm re-releasing NiMUD under the AL 2.0 / CCA-3 BY-SA.

Goodbye.

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No longer even trying to lie and claim that doing so is not illegal?

I doubt that. Generally when making unlikely claims it is the responsibility of the one making said claims to provide proof.

A word of advice. When "announcing" in the future, you'd be best off never looking at your announcement again after posting said announcement instead of replying and digging your grave deeper.

Callieg a thief and a liar a thief and a liar is harassment? And we're the ones in a ****ed up world?

That's exactly what you jumped on Samson for doing.

Cite.

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Actually there's every chance it is a lie you're holding a "contest". It reads more like a scam to get people to build stuff for your dead game and steal it from them at the same time.

The second part is what makes you a thief, not a liar, but at least you're admitting it now.

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The presumption of innocence – being considered innocent until proven – is a legal that the accused in has in many modern countries. The is thus on the , which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who are restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a . In case of remaining doubts, the accused is to be . This presumption is seen to stem from the Latin legal principle that ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies).

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I'm not lying. I haven't lied intentionally about anything. And, besides, you are not a judge, nor jury, nor authority on anything that has to do with your and Samson's unfounded claims. You're just some weird stalker who keeps berating me and insulting me and then saying I started it.

No, I expressed that the FBI field handbook for detecting liars reports that if you refer to YOURSELF in the plural you are probably lying or making something up. That's what he did. When I address a group, I can use the plural, when I address myself (aside from the cooperative work of myself and Chris Woodward), I am to use the singular pronoun "I". Samson used the term "our" to discuss what appeared to be his views. I realize that you hold a similar, unfounded opinion, but I don't think Kavir holds an identical view. Regardless, I expect you, Kavir and Samson to be d!ckheads because you have always treated me this way. The only person who isn't here to complain is Kyndig, who was told to leave me alone by the Pittsburgh Police because he was attempting to harass me by having me arrested. In their words, "It seemed like he was just out to ruin your life. We told him to leave you alone and to stop calling us."

I don't come to your website and harass you, why come here and harass me? It's free software and you are benefiting. STFU and be nice.

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Re: "dead game"

People still play my game. In fact, Ponnet scored very highly and complemented it because it is a good game. It has an original storyline, some interesting interactions, and a large world to explore. Last I looked the player base had expanded and we have at least one daily active player.

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This is a forum. This is not a criminal trial. We are private citizens. We are not the government. You have no right to a presumption of innocence from private citizens.

The specifics of your situation and issue are of no direct interest to me, but I dislike it when people extrapolate legal rights designed to protect them from the government onto dealings with private citizens. The same goes for people who think free speech applies to web forums and similar silliness.

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Were the Diku team to take you to court for copyright infringement, it would be a civil case, not a criminal one, and therefore there would be no "presumption of innocence". They would only need to prove "preponderance of evidence" - just enough evidence to make it more likely than not that the fact the claimant seeks to prove is true. This is explained in the links you posted.

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What you describe here is the presumption of innocence in a criminal trial. Copyright infringement on the level you're committing it at is a civil matter, and we've long since met the preponderance of evidence required to render judgment and find for damages. You yourself have even admitted to the violation. I doubt there would be much effort needed to win an actual case against you.

Except I wasn't referring to myself. I was referring to myself, Fizban, Delerak, and prof1515 who all clearly hold the belief that you are a thief and a liar. The evidence of course has already condemned you, but you still refuse to see it.

We always treat you this way because you always show up every year making irrational demands based on zero evidence claiming everyone and his dog owes you credit for code you didn't even write. BTW, you are aware it would be dead simple to verify that ridiculous claim about Kyndig? My money is on that never happening.

Because you came here making irrational demands of the community and tried to lay claim to a couple dozen codebases based on some ridiculous claim that you and you alone wrote the OLC that's in them. Disinformation campaigns tend to be met with resistance. If you'd come here and posted something that was factual and accurate, you'd probably not have heard from anyone at all about it.

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Haha. I hate to use the stupid net lingo but... PWNED!

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Actually, I'm afforded many rights by the government with respect to private citizens.

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This is a boldfaced lie. I never claimed I wrote it alone. Chris Woodward and I wrote OLC and that has always been my position.

It's not "irrational" to request credit, nor to provide a means by which builders can win a contest that benefits charity.

Also, it's not "Disinformation Strategy" to release source code or hold a contest, period.

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No, it's not a bold faced lie. Evidence has mounted that what really happened is Chris wrote the OLC, died, and you ghoulishly latched on to it to try and make a name for yourself. You've been doing it for well over 10 years now.

So yes, it's irrational to request credit for code you didn't write.

It's also disinformation to hold a "contents" under false pretenses. It's pretty clear you're simply trying to trick people into writing your areas for you. No doubt because you couldn't hire a builder the proper way because we all know what a lying thief you are.

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Dude, I've had an ongoing relationship with his parents since his death. Right before he died when he was wasting away in his bed he said he loved me. He supervised the release as I supervised the project and completed the editors. You don't know Chris, you've never met Chris, and your opinions (which is all they are, opinions) are wrong, wrong wrong. How dare you criticize the situation which you know nothing about -- the only person who is spreading disinformation is you and frankly I hate you. I'm removing you from NiMUD's "HELP THANKS"

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Good, because I don't want my name associated with your code thievery - especially since I don't endorse your behavior one bit and this whole ghoulish obsession you have with Chris is frankly quite disturbing to see.

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I really wanted to stay out of this, but this goes beyond your usual "argument over code license" debate.

There is enough doubt about this codebase that a user innocently downloading it and assuming they have it under one license could be in for a shock down the line.

I'm not declaring anyone right or wrong in this thread, but there's enough risk to our users that NiMUD can no longer be promoted here.

The thread is locked and a 'moderator note' has been added to the first post.