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Corrlaan 05-18-2007 06:04 PM

As last month I proceeded to unveil to you our newest addition, Edges.  

I present to you now, the next step in even more ridiculously infinite RP and PK possibilites.  FLAWS

'quote from our official site'
Please join us soon and learn all about these flaws, and other specializations like 'Scalding Geyser' for Invokers, 'Poison Caltraps' for assassins and other such craziness.

Carrionfields....your 'other' life.

Ilkidarios 05-20-2007 06:38 PM

Reminds me somewhat of Fallout and its trait system, although those would be more like "Edge-Flaw" pairings.

Valg 05-20-2007 08:34 PM


Ilkidarios 05-22-2007 07:58 PM

One question: what does the flaw "macho" do?

Valg 05-22-2007 11:58 PM

Broadly, your morale will suffer if you are being subordinate (with others and not leading, etc.), and some of the more useful effects of panic (automatically attempting to flee when badly pummeled, etc.) rarely or never kick in.

As long as you're bossing other people around and never losing, it's not so bad!

We did balk on the name, since characters of either gender can choose it and 'macho' typically refers to male chauvinism, but 'macho' best described how the effects tend to burn you in practice, and it's kind of fun. ('Reckless' was taken, and is all about real fear, and not just perceived slights to your ego like having someone else command your group.)

John 05-23-2007 08:08 AM


KaVir 05-23-2007 09:53 AM

600 edges on top of the 100 you started with on 1st March works out at nearly 6 per day for the last 12 weeks! How do you manage to keep them all balanced against each other when they're being added so fast?

Regarding the flaws: How do you avoid people min-maxing?

Valg 05-24-2007 03:47 PM

1) Edges are generally tweaks to well-tested abilities.  We have a staff of about two dozen to come up with ideas, and the people involved in the infrastructure and coding portions have over a decade of experience each, and have a deep understanding of what will or won't likely 'break' the system.   Judging by the distribution pattern and player discussions, there is no early favorite for a "best" Edge.  If one emerges, we'll adjust the magnitude of its effect, make it more difficult to earn, etc.

Also, not every character can choose every Edge-- they all have various prerequisites which can range from being a certain race, needing expertise in one or more skills, requiring a minimum level in some attribute, etc.

Not every Edge has the same 'price' in terms of overall achievement, and achievement can come in many forms-- roleplay recognition, defeating other players in combat, commerce, exploration and observation, earning elevated status within a cabal or religion, etc.  The system has diminishing returns along several axes, and the characters who reap the most benefit from Edges are necessarily quite well-rounded.  Any character well described by a single Bartle archetype ("just a killer", "just a socializer", etc.) won't excel there, in line with our game's general direction.

2) Re: Flaws: They are 'priced' such that a min-max player wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole.  The bonus you get for choosing one is intentionally not worth taking the handicap of a Flaw.  They seem popular despite this-- we're a roleplaying game with a strong PvP element, and a number of our players would take a Flaw or two for "free" to better fit a role, or just to show off.

rendekar 09-22-2007 08:17 PM

Re: We all have our 'Flaws'
 
gorgeous system! (also voted on CF homepage)

did you think about implementing <optional> title customizations regarding all different edges(or flaws) or edge-bounded special titles? it'd be more fun than level and class based titles,i think.maybe, that certain title would become visible only with good rp.

anyway, it adds fresh depth to the game now , which i play between whiles and have fun in its realms always. :)

though my orc is a little lazy, these days; :D

Milawe 09-23-2007 02:06 PM

Re: We all have our 'Flaws'
 
This looks like a very interesting and complex system!

Now, when you guys were coming up with this system, were you creating it to allow people to RP with more "rules", basically? I find that kind of RP much more rewarding and challenging than having no set parameters. Are people expected to RP their flaws and edges, or do these serve as more of a combat tweak?


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