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Valg · 08-25-2004, 12:30 PM

If you really want to have commercial muds flagged as such, then ask Synozeer for a "hobbyist/commercial" flag next to a mud listing instead of having the Nth annual argument over what free means.

Yup. However, before I go and make this kind of request, I wanted to hear out all sides, toss some compromise ideas out there, and see what the best approach would be. Forums are usually good for this, assuming all parties are willing to talk.

This thread has an example of people (myself and others) doing exactly that, after IRE began bribing players to vote for them, among other tactics Threshold characterized (very accurately, in my opinion) as "particularly sleazy" (). Everyone got a chance to talk, some proposals were floated, and Synozeer eventually stepped in and made a call ().

In my opinion, IRE deliberately mischaracterizes their service. I offered some ideas for how their website could better clarify what they offer (*), but was rebuffed and told to take legal action via the Federal Trade Commission.

Several posters offered reasonable suggestions, generally centered around IRE calling themselves some variant of "pay-for-perks" instead of "free". This was met with personal attacks, as well as sarcastic counteroffers like:

the_logos:

When you're dealing with someone whose attitude is "I don't care if people get insulted by my opinions. I don't care if they get provoked by things I do." (), then I agree that it's the only way to handle the situation. I also have to agree with Kavir's conclusion that it seems like the_logos is interested in killing as much quality conversation here as possible, by wading in, insulting swaths of the community, and using sixth-grade debate tactics, as Dulan is fond of pointing out. (And then complaining that there isn't enough quality conversation.)

-Valg

(*): As another poster pointed out, they advertise that pay-for-perks is an incentive in their eyes, since it allows you to allegedly balance your own available-funds vs. free-time budget. You'd think they'd want to make that clear, if they consider it an advantage.

08-25-2004, 12:30 PM	#142
Valg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 643	If you really want to have commercial muds flagged as such, then ask Synozeer for a "hobbyist/commercial" flag next to a mud listing instead of having the Nth annual argument over what free means. Yup. However, before I go and make this kind of request, I wanted to hear out all sides, toss some compromise ideas out there, and see what the best approach would be. Forums are usually good for this, assuming all parties are willing to talk. This thread has an example of people (myself and others) doing exactly that, after IRE began bribing players to vote for them, among other tactics Threshold characterized (very accurately, in my opinion) as "particularly sleazy" (). Everyone got a chance to talk, some proposals were floated, and Synozeer eventually stepped in and made a call (). In my opinion, IRE deliberately mischaracterizes their service. I offered some ideas for how their website could better clarify what they offer (), but was rebuffed and told to take legal action via the Federal Trade Commission. Several posters offered reasonable suggestions, generally centered around IRE calling themselves some variant of "pay-for-perks" instead of "free". This was met with personal attacks, as well as sarcastic counteroffers like: the_logos: When you're dealing with someone whose attitude is "I don't care if people get insulted by my opinions. I don't care if they get provoked by things I do." (), then I agree that it's the only way to handle the situation. I also have to agree with Kavir's conclusion that it seems like the_logos is interested in killing as much quality conversation here as possible, by wading in, insulting swaths of the community, and using sixth-grade debate tactics, as Dulan is fond of pointing out. (And then complaining that there isn't enough quality conversation.) -Valg (): As another poster pointed out, they advertise that pay-for-perks is an incentive in their eyes, since it allows you to allegedly balance your own available-funds vs. free-time budget. You'd think they'd want to make that clear, if they consider it an advantage.