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Old 08-15-2007, 08:57 PM   #47
cratylus
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Re: Posts undeleted

Then so it is. I know you are not foolish enough to actually confuse
the advocacy of admin restraint with the advocacy of
anarchy, so what can I presume on your part other
than bad faith?


I was wondering if you'd bring this up. I think that the episode you refer to
is a perfect example of the community being allowed to discuss and debate
policy to its heart's content, let the chips fall where they may.

Since you bring it up, let me enlighten folks with a url that explains
what you're talking about:



On the old router, newbies were victimized so violently they
were actually talked into deleting their muds. Literally, this
actually happened. I set up a router to avoid violence against
newbies, and to enhance i3 availability. When people used
channels to hassle newbies and spew racist language, I
banned them from the channels they abused *until* they agreed
to follow the rules of the router they connected to. This is a
far, far cry from deleting posts for aesthetic reasons.

You seemed to want to pretend that I was advocating anarchy.
I was not.

Now you want to pretend that my disagreement with the
moderation in a thread means I'm a hypocrite because of
that alleged anarchy.

I can't stop you from using misleading rhetoric, but I
will certainly call you on your dishonesty. For shame, sir.

The reason I think that router incident supports my position
is that it demonstrates my willingness, eagerness, and
enthusiasm for soliciting and engaging the opinions of those
opposed. I did not fear their open defiance, and I did not
seek to suppress their ideas. I asked for input and votes:




And I have posted logs of the vigorous debates that ensued:




I didn't hide from a fight, I didn't try to silence
debate (and in fact actively encouraged it), and I
have stood firm in my belief that getting things in
the open is healthy, and that protecting newbies is
important and worthwhile. You can do both without
resorting to deletion of non-violatory posts.

Thank you for letting me prove my bona-fides as a
champion of newbies. I'm telling you as someone who's
fought tooth and nail to keep them alive and keep
them coming, that their protection does not require the
deletion of posts from veteran contributors you
think are less-than-polite.

I thought that Xerihae's moderation was excessive and
I said so. That you've found the need to stomp
on me and try distort my reputation as a result says a
hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.

-Crat
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