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Karlan:
I'm arguing it's backwards. Yui is arguing that it's forwards. That's our basic disagreement.
His argument is: C plus more features must be better than C. My argument: C plus features that are frequently misused is generally worse than C.
Beyond that, we're just hashing through whether C++'s features are generally a good or bad thing. His argument: the potential upside is greater since you don't have to use bad stuff, or use stuff badly. My argument: this stuff is generally used badly.
There's a lot more detail, but you can read through at your leisure, this stuff's probably on the 'net forever.
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