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Valg · 04-26-2006, 06:30 PM

Not only are you completely and utterly wrong, an incredibly damning was given in this very thread.

I'm not sure what Fox News broadcast or Scott McClellan soundbite you got the opposite information from, unless you're claiming that the consensus of the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the National Academy of Sciences, the IPCC (an international panel appointed by the UN to study peer-reviewed climatology articles), and the American Association for the Advancement of Science constitutes "very little responsible science".

Even the EPA, under an administration with no regard for environmental issues in the least, begins a of their report commissioned from the National Academy of Sciences with "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise." That's the first sentence, but it gets worse from there. (This report is co-signed by the National Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Medicine, and the National Research Council.)

Armchair climatologists (most often politicians, pundits, etc.) may distort the facts for their own agendas, but the message from the scientific community is loud and clear.

The "sun is getting hotter" theory was as early as 1997. Even worst-case models demonstrated it could at most explain 1/3 of the warming, and those models are intentionally generous in order to test if it's even possible that the sun could be causative.

I SciFindered up recent primary literature in major journals, and Science published an article in May 2005 (Wild, M et al.; 2005, Science 6 May 2005; 308: 847-850) illustrating that worldwide solar radiation levels have actually been dropping in recent decades, largely because our altered atmosphere scatters more light. (This is due to particulate pollutants like soot, rather than greenhouse gases.) The authors conclude that sunlight reaching the Earth's surface showed "a decline of 4% to 6% over 30 years", and warn that the phenomenon may have caused us to underestimate exactly how screwed we already are.

So don't blame the sun. It's our mess, and we should clean it up.

04-26-2006, 06:30 PM	#19
Valg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 643	Not only are you completely and utterly wrong, an incredibly damning was given in this very thread. I'm not sure what Fox News broadcast or Scott McClellan soundbite you got the opposite information from, unless you're claiming that the consensus of the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the National Academy of Sciences, the IPCC (an international panel appointed by the UN to study peer-reviewed climatology articles), and the American Association for the Advancement of Science constitutes "very little responsible science". Even the EPA, under an administration with no regard for environmental issues in the least, begins a of their report commissioned from the National Academy of Sciences with "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise." That's the first sentence, but it gets worse from there. (This report is co-signed by the National Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Medicine, and the National Research Council.) Armchair climatologists (most often politicians, pundits, etc.) may distort the facts for their own agendas, but the message from the scientific community is loud and clear. The "sun is getting hotter" theory was as early as 1997. Even worst-case models demonstrated it could at most explain 1/3 of the warming, and those models are intentionally generous in order to test if it's even possible that the sun could be causative. I SciFindered up recent primary literature in major journals, and Science published an article in May 2005 (Wild, M et al.; 2005, Science 6 May 2005; 308: 847-850) illustrating that worldwide solar radiation levels have actually been dropping in recent decades, largely because our altered atmosphere scatters more light. (This is due to particulate pollutants like soot, rather than greenhouse gases.) The authors conclude that sunlight reaching the Earth's surface showed "a decline of 4% to 6% over 30 years", and warn that the phenomenon may have caused us to underestimate exactly how screwed we already are. So don't blame the sun. It's our mess, and we should clean it up.