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Old 06-17-2004, 05:30 PM   #101
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I didn't think she was attacking anyone. I thought she was adding an anedotal comment on the discussion.
As a longtime reader and participant in these forums, I can say that it's not hard - based on Molly and the_logos past interactions - to draw the conclusion that her comment was a subtle jab at the Iron Realms games. They've clashed MANY times before .

That said, I think it's good that the_logos at least acknowledged he shouldn't counter with his own overt attack.
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Old 06-17-2004, 05:46 PM   #102
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I have played Achaea, rather seriously, for about 18 months.

Sometimes I love it.  Sometimes I hate it.  

Every last word Matt says is true.

When I first started playing I received an experience bonus for voting.  They discontinued that practice shortly thereafter (darn it!.

Then they instituted an "everybody might get a bonus" system.   But removed that one as well when there was a perception  that would be inappropriate under the rules of this site.

There are reminders, yes.  I am able to set how often I am reminded to vote.  I can set it to be as rare as once every 12 hours.

A simple statement "Have you voted today?"   - It is no bother to see it, nor do I feel compelled to run and vote when I do see it.

I most often remember to vote, make it a point to vote,  and do vote, when I am particularly happy about something, such as the implemenation of a new game (FOOZLE! or a new "something to do" (FISHING!.

I most often say, "I am never going to vote for them again" when I am annoyed about something, like the fact that my in-game spouse and I cannot jointly adopt a child, or when there are events that make it impossible to get my daily "work" done because they are free/open PK.  I might not lose any experience, but I like to be able to walk without getting jumped.  I'm silly like that.

Regardless - Matt is telling the truth.  There is no Achaean incentive to vote, there is no Achaean pressure to vote, there is no Achaean bombardment of requests to vote.   Romeo and Juliet do not tell people to vote.

Some *players* get carried away with the concept and "remind" others - they are not being provided an incentive to do so.  Perhaps they like the game.   Some of us do.  Most of the time, at least.  

What is Matt supposed to do?  Disallow players telling other players to vote?  

That's asinine.

You know what Matt is going to most like about this thread?  I now feel invigorated about voting, and am going to try and remember to do so, not daily, but twice a day, as permitted.  At least until I get annoyed at something again. ::grin::

Because Achaea is not perfect, and Matt is not perfect, and TMS is not perfect (but is also not a charitable organization) and anybody who does not like Achaea or Matt or Iron Realms can at least take the time and trouble to show some honesty and integrity in their complaints, rather than lie.

It's as simple as that.

Going to vote now,
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Old 06-17-2004, 05:54 PM   #103
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[As a longtime reader and participant in these forums, I can say that it's not hard - based on Molly and the_logos past interactions - to draw the conclusion that her comment was a subtle jab at the Iron Realms games. They've clashed MANY times before .
I'll just conclude with this: I don't attack people who don't attack me first. I finally just got sick of Molly's totally unprovoked attacks on me and integrity of our company. Any clashes between her and I are a result of her attacking me first. Every single one. Including the time she publically all but came out and said we harbor paedophiles (and I'm not joking, unbelievably) on this very site. I don't know if she's a disgruntled ex-player or doesn't like Hungarians or what.

Again, I apologize if I lowered myself to that level, but in my defence I was at least responding to an attack rather than initiating one.
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Old 06-17-2004, 09:02 PM   #104
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And some of us in Achaea have so much fun, we would vote anyhow, just to help out a company that provides endless hours of entertainment. If I added up what I have spent on Achaea, I spend far far more on other activities and don't spend nearly as much time doing them.

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Old 06-18-2004, 03:22 AM   #105
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I'll just conclude with this: I don't attack people who don't attack me first. I finally just got sick of Molly's totally unprovoked attacks on me and integrity of our company. Any clashes between her and I are a result of her attacking me first. Every single one. Including the time she publically all but came out and said we harbor paedophiles (and I'm not joking, unbelievably) on this very site. I don't know if she's a disgruntled ex-player or doesn't like Hungarians or what.
I feel I need to comment on this, and that too will be my conclusion:

It is true that I am no big fan of Matt Mihaly. I am not alone in this sentiment, and it is based on a long number of events over the years, where he in my opinion has acted inflammatory and/or unethically. Some things that come to mind are the cheesy ads he used to run, where certain fictive persons voted Achaea the #1 mud in the world, some very inflammatory remarks about builders, and above all the thread he started and very actively carried out, where he urged everybody to break the Diku licence by going commercial, because according to him the wording in the licence was not strong enough to stand up in court and the 'intent' was nothing people needed to worry about.

When I read something on the boards that I don't like, I usually react and reply to it in some way. That's what discussion boards are for, I thought. If he wants to call this 'totally unprovoked attacks ' that is his interpretation. He is very apt at interpreting other people's posts in ways they were never intended. If I 'attacked' him more than others on the board it is because he has managed to post more things that annoyed me over the years than any other poster. Plain and simple.

Since he brought up the pedophile story again, I suggest that you all go back and check out WHO brought that pedophile into a totally unrelated discussion, and who said what and when. What  I did was comment on his own exact words. I didn't think his raccount of how he handled the situation was appropriate, and that is also what I said.

For the record, I have never even visited Achaea, which is probably a good mud, it's the owner and his actions I have a problem with. I also find his pun about me not liking Hungarians pretty insulting, but that is no more than I expected from him.

I am not going to apologise to the board, because I don't feel that I have anything to apologise for. I posted a true story of an incident that happened on my own Mud, as an illustration of how easy it would be to cheat with the votes. He took it up from there, and yet he claims I attacked first?

I'll end this with a quote from a note he sent to me by Messenger (no, not the one where he threatened to sue me, if I didn't hold my tongue):

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I'm just glad to see that thread going for so long. Achaea has seen a 9% rise in registrations from Topmudsites in the last week.
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Old 06-18-2004, 04:26 AM   #106
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I'm just glad to see that thread going for so long. Achaea has seen a 9% rise in registrations from Topmudsites in the last week.
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I think there's a saying (at least in my part of the world) that says bad publicity is publicity too. So I am certain Matt is happy with this thread, or any other threads where people complain about Achaea.

That said, I think this thread is really over the top anyway. There is someone who claims he gets bugged on a mud about voting (so what, go away) and there is someone who is claiming nothing happened. Then several other people claim nothing happens etc. In the end, this thread is only in favor of the already big mud.

In regard to the real topic: should muds be allowed to pester people to vote? Sure, you scare your people away if you want to, your decision. Could you do something about hidden incentives (as mentioned by Kavir)? I don't think so.

Automatic voting? No, that should be prohibited, and could possibly be found out, if there was some more interaction needed on TMS (like the pictures with letters you have to fill in). However if it's worth the hassle, I am not sure.

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Old 06-18-2004, 05:54 AM   #107
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In regard to the real topic: should muds be allowed to pester people to vote? Sure, you scare your people away if you want to, your decision. Could you do something about hidden incentives (as mentioned by Kavir)? I don't think so.
Well yes, you could - simply by preventing mud owners from being able to determine who has voted.
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Old 06-18-2004, 08:34 AM   #108
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simply by preventing mud owners from being able to determine who has voted.
I don't think you need to be that drastic. The type of people who are voting can be very informative. Are only old players voting? Do players tend to vote a lot before stopping? You could then work out why this is so.

I think a simple "don't treat voters and non-voters" differently is all that's needed.
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Old 06-20-2004, 07:32 PM   #109
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If I license Rapture, is that one of the included libraries or is it sold separately?

Also, I'd forgotten how long MM had been "successful" for. It's probably better to consider various means of encouraging players to vote as a wholly separate issue from playing games with the server or zombied PC's to cheat.

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Old 06-21-2004, 01:48 AM   #110
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All these nasty things that IRE supposedly does that you troll about on this forum we'll need to develop ourselves!
Excuse me?

Would you care to back up that accusation?

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Old 06-21-2004, 03:09 AM   #111
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Not you Stilton, I don't consider you a troll. I should amend what I said to say "All these nasty things that IRE supposedly does that you all troll about on this forum we'll need to develop ourselves!"

There we go. No longer a specific, just a gross generalization.
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Old 06-21-2004, 07:08 AM   #112
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Yeah, I licensed it and there was no mind control library. I was very disappointed.
You are living proof that the mind control library works perfectly.
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