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You did state we are loosing our freedoms, and a few times you've stated in one way or another that the newer version of America (not the mid-20th century version unless you agree with the Birch-Putch plan of..erm..I believe 1973 +/- a few years.) that wants to spread freedom is stupid (which pro-equal rights anti government types call a New World Order when in fact having no countries but instead say, regions under a unified governemt where every person of every region was equal, would also decrease the seperatism the liberal left imposes on us)
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Hehe, well as far as I know CE is just a substitute for AD for the people who don't believe in Jesus. Who is historically recognized hence the BC, AD usage in history. I'm tired of debating, so I'm going to take a break, and go use my freedom of gaming and play xbox.
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You started your crusade against the US in this post by comparing histories to prove that the US is somehow evil or bad in it's military exploits. And the histories you were originally using were that of the countries in Europe. As for the rest, it is plainly some humor poking at you and England. If you can't figure this out, don't debate. And if you can't remember what you are argueing or what you have said in the debate, it proves who is "moronic" and an "idiot". If you think I am wrong, go back and reread what you have posted so far, and reread what I have said. This thread is so far off topic, it's really kinda funny. I was merely trying to suggest that you prove your point (of which seemed like you were saying that The US is horrible) without using comparison. It seems ridiculous to me to compare many countries histories, so since that is what you insist on doing - kudos. |
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![]() I would post some more, but i just got home from work and have yet to shower, eat dinner and see The Core that I just rented. Sorry guys..Hillary Swank is a tad more fun to watch. Besides, I'll probably post tomorrow AM before work. |
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Yes she is. If you havn't seen Insomnia get that next, it's not a sci-fi like the core, but it's got al pacino and robin williams as well.
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Yes American has had some wars BUT..stupid? Please..the first one was the Revolutionary War which began our 'birth' as a nation. Blood was spilt because all other options failed....much like the options that modern democrats wish could be used. Britan wouldnt give us up so easily. Tea, crumpets and a peace treaty wouldn't have solved it. They tried that already. Britan was a monarchy (note : today it's more like a Democratic Monarchy..the Queen is just a figurehead where as Parliment is the real ruling power) still and of course, no one goes against the royal family in a monarchy. India..land of Ghandi and peaceful resolution had to go through a war to gain their independance.
All countries have to go through war to become a country, and at times, go into war to maintain their status as a country for whatever reason.It's part of the 'birthing process'. Now since we've all decided to compare America and Europe for whatever reaasons, consider this...America, in all it's wars, has only asked for land to bury it's dead in. No global conquest. Talk of puppet regiems? Look at the Middle East. There's so much corruption and not by American hands. (OPEC ring a bell? Hey! Let's gang up on non-arabs and **** them off because we own the oil! ![]() Another Euro/American comparison. Ok, Europe is thousands of years old. Most of europe went through a generalized process of social evolution to reach their (so called) pinnicle at this time. From fuedalism to fundementalist expansionism to fascism/socialism to whatever they are at today. Now, how can anyone expect America to become like say Belgium or Lichtenstein (or whatever) in a little over 200 years when it took them 2000 years (and some of those countries arent even done yet)? War stupid? At times yes, but also at times necessary. The lastest "war" was it? Depends...we had the chance to overthrow a psychopath of a leader back inn the first Gulf War. In fact we were 25 miles from Bagdahd, until Clinton told us to pull back and he'd handle it. Right..talk and embargos really break a leadership. Right....look at Cuba. Castro is still in power and all his comrades are still happy that they are one of what? 3 almost pure socialist (leaning towards communist) nations left? Negotiations dont always work, a 'peace treaty' is just paper. Look at Isreal and Palastien (sp..sorry). First a Cease Fire..then and Hamass car bomb, then Isreali tanks blow crap up, then whining from bleeding hearts and then postering by Hawks, then a Cease Fire. War has been going on for thousands of years in thart region. It's what those countries only know and understand. Sometimes you have to spill blood so that others can at least taste some freedom. Afghanistan? Things could go quicker there if America wasnt the only country there trying to do something about it. Same for Iraq and trying to gets it's government up. ####, people here complain that it should already be up, but we, as in America didnt have our government fully running until when? 1795? That isnt overnight like these so called 'political experts in the name of peace' (read : liberals) think it should and could be. Anyhoo..coffee is done brewing and I need a cup. |
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As far as the government not being set up, thats because the Bush administration foolishly convinced themselves that the Iraqi people would welcome our occupying force with flowers and open arms. Either they didn't plan on what happened after the war, or they decided not to tell us the true costs of this war. Either they're incompetent or liars. It wasn't your liberal boogeymen who said a government would be replaced in no time, that was the Bush administration. And regarding your ignorant comments about Israel and Palestine, I encourage you to do some reading on their history before you spout off some more nonsense. - Ryan |
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Where to begin with that pathetic excuse for a reply? Shoot Delerak gave at least plausable posts that required some thinking. Your reply was just an accident waiting to happen..ok, here we go... Quote:
You might to check this out then.. UNCHR to Vote on Iraqi Human Rights Violations unless you're going to claim it's some Bush Jr. Propaganda tool..if so..check the date. It was proposed and discussed on 05 March 1991. Quote:
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Hrm..you're right..it's pretty much Isreal and everyone around them that's been at war. I guess using a current (as in the last 20yrs as current) timeframe was wrong... **1948 War of Independence **1956 Sinai Campaign **1967 Six-Day War **1973 Yom Kippur War **1982 Operation Peace for Galilee Even though UN Security Council Resolution 242, which called for "acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." the Arab position, as formulated at the Khartoum Summit Conference (August 1967) called for "no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel and no recognition of Israel." Also...(takes a deep breath).... Arafat and his PNC has yet to change the |PLO Covenant| contradicting all signed agreements to date: This decision fails to meet the obligations laid out in Article XXXI (9) of the Oslo II accords in two respects. First, the actual amendment of the Covenant has been left for a future date. As of now, the old Covenant, in its original form, remains the governing document of the PLO, and will continue in this status until the amendments are actually approved. In legal terms, there is a sharp difference between calling for something to change and actually implementing the changes. According to various assessments, this understanding would require the removal of anywhere between 10 and 28 of the Covenant's 33 clauses. Palestinian officials, on the other hand, have spoken of changing far fewer clauses, and the PNC decision leaves open the question of which articles will be amended Arafat has raised a large army, the size of which far exceeds his peace accord commitments. The enormous quantity and increasingly deadly quality of the weapons he has accumulated also exceed all the limits that he had promised. The terrorist infrastructure under his control has not been dismantled. There has been no hand over of the PLO's illegal weapons, nor has there been extradition to the US or to Israel of PLO murderers of Jewish Americans and Jewish Israelis. All of this is in flagrant violations of the letter and spirit of Arafat's signed international agreements. (PLO and Arafat Recent Isreali Wars) All of this of course does not begin to cover Hamaas and their 'fun little outings' (yes..that was sarcasim) of course there's also false moslem claims that just adds fuel to the "Let's go to war with Isreal" fire. Ignorant? Nonsense? Pleae..go back to the school district where you graduated from and sue them for the education they robbed you of. When you're ready to debate like a big boy, you can come to the table with Delerak and I. (edited because I had 2 links next to each other *blush*) |
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What are we doing instead? We're running around in circles looking for "baathist remnants" and "al qaeda cells". Rubbish, we need to establish a legitamite government of Iraqi nationals, not assume control of all their infrastructure and commence on a wild goose chase of "terrists", to use Dubyas slang. Quote:
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Now Israel has been occupying the lands of the arab state for quite some time, and you're trying to tell me Palestine is the agressor? The rest of your post is clever misinformationt hat I don't have the time to answer rtight now.... I'm supposed to be clubbing! - Ryan |
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Muaha, the argueing, I love it! Love it! Muahaha!
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ok my fingers hurt from the last post I did here so I'll make it sweet and so simple even this smiley
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..as for crashing their economy. Then they deserve it. Illegal means that..illegal. I say deport them and get AMERICANs to do the work. Oh wait..I forgot..most of the unemployed have become whiners like yourself that would rather sit around and get hard earned tax dollars in the form of welfare checks than to actually get a job. Typical social parasites. Quote:
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I don't believe that any interim government is possible in Iraq as long as the US refuses to surrender control. Currently we insist on dominating every decision made, and our efforts to stabilize the government have been toward the exact same flavor of 'stability' we've created in every other country we invaded... puppet governments. Maybe the EU is right to be more concerned with protecting their interests than with electing some marionettes in Iraq. As for the difficulties of reestablishing services within the country, why did you pick 5000? Why not 5,000,000? Are the Iraqi's too busy, lazy, stupid, barbaric to repair their own sewers or power lines? For the sake of brevity I won't beat that horse any further. I would like to know where you derived that number however. Quote:
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As for the rest, I didn't read it. I don't even know what this topic is about, since all flames are just sorta thrown in together as one big mishmosh comprising six pages of stuff. Those two points did scream at me to reply, however, and so I did just that. Flame on, folks. |
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Regardless of their culture, it is not the US governments place to go into their country, bomb them and destroy their infrastructure, place them under martial law, and take control over all their national resources... destroying ancient artifacts from the cradle of civilization in the process. This is the face of your freedom?? Quote:
Also, the fact that you attribute a budget surplus to Reagan's (its spelled Reagan not Regan, you big dummy) trickle down economics shows a complete lack of any idea of how economics works on your part. How is it that cutting taxes, cutting the governments income, in other words, is going to lead to a surplus of budget? Give me a break, as soon as Bush took office, he enacted Reagan's economic model, and look where we are now. Reaganomics bleeds the government dry so that there is valid reasoning to cut back social services and shift money to the defense sector. Quote:
This is not an empire in the classic sense of the word, it is a New World Order, to quote Bush Sr, where America supplies all the goods, and the rest of the world buys them. If they don't buy them, we kill them until they agree to buy them, or we set up a brutal dictator who will do anything we ask in return for some good ole american weapons. Quote:
But the fact that you would rather see California's economy collapse than allow a few mexican citizens to live here and pick our crops for us shows that you are just blatantly racist. Typical of a Bush republican ![]() Quote:
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I'll end by quoting the Lords of the New Church ![]() Video games train the kids for war. Army chic in high-fashion stores Law and order's done their job. Prisons filled while the rich still rob Assassination politics Violence rules within' our nation's midst Well ignorance is their power tool. You'll only know what they want you to know. The television cannot lie. Controlling media with smokescreen eyes Nuclear politicians picture show. The acting's lousy but the blind don't know. Open your eyes see the lies right in front of ya. Open your eyes..... |
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![]() Since the uneducated can not digest no more than a paragraph with large words in it, I will make my reply in two posts...and this is going to be fun because it seems stupidity has run rampant since some people here dont know how to read...here we go...
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In the same month, they were shown documentation by witnesses about the atrocities. In July 1991, the UN said Iraq's answers on the human rights abuses were unsatisfactory. Want more? Amnesty International has some interesting info over there. Oh..and yes, I know you'll point out some print about the US there, but those far outweigh the non-US ones. Like banning a single firecracker because Canada built a nuke. As for going into Iraq..again..it was business unfinished. Had Clinton continued the momentum, there wouldnt have been a recent war in Iraq. There wouldnt be mass graves filled with innocents made by Iraqi's Republican Guard's or dead Kurds because of nerve agents dropped on them. Of course, you'll probably say this is all moot. Quote:
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1. After reading my initial reply, even I thought I meant one thing..only meant 'whiners like you', never intended to call you a social parasite (unless you are) BUT therer are still social parasites out there that commit welfare fraud, etc and hide behind PC-dom and so called "rights" though I've never seen anywhere in the Constitution that says a woman can get paid for having 10 kids by the time she's 30 for a nice fat check for each. Of course, that's part of the oh-so-great social services system that liberals like to protect at any given moment. 2. I'm not a racist. I'm a realist. I personally dont give a frag if someone is from korea, canada, or mexico or Exampleton. IF you enter this country illegally it is against the law. Period. There is nothing racist about that comment. Deport them the first time caught. Second time caught, send them to a corporate owned prison where previous unemployed american workers now have jobs with benefits.As for politicians wanting to give illegals welfare checks, etc..guess you never heard of Proposition 182 that stopped this from happening. If people want into this country, then do it legally. Plain and simple. Besides, if I was racist, I wouldnt be here and would be over at some site like Stormfront.com or whereever. 3. I'm not a Republican..nor am I 2 faced..again..as I've said at least 4 times already..I only defended the current president because so many people have accused him of doing the same thing liberal presidents have done (some have done worse). If anything..I'm an independant-libertarian-neo-democratic-socialist. I wont discuss the demonstartions because a) I dont watch Fox news either and b) if I have to describe the best way to encite a riot and show how it's being done in Iraq then I know you might need the picture version of Hooked on Phonics (which btw..you dont because unlike some other twit, you actually post some replies that make me think about my replies.Kudos..and NO I am not conceeding) Here is something to think about..if someone isnt in Organization A but does actions and views like said Organization and know about that organization, are they not by defination supporting it? Quote:
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