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Gorgulu · 03-19-2006, 01:09 PM

I have been playing Lusternia for well over a year now. I have never once been 'solicited' to make a payment, and besides the announce posts in which the admins announce upcoming credit sales, I've never once heard a god suggesting that someone should buy credits, let alone demanding it.

My current character is a Marquis within Magnagora, which is the highest rank a citizen can attain without being on the ruling council. He is also a high-ranking member of his guild, holds several positions (including guild protector and the head of the Ministry of the Ambassador), has reached level 70, has decent skills, and is, overall, a fairly well-known and respected authority within the gameworld. I have never sent IRE one penny of my money, and I doubt I ever will. There are plenty others like me.

By the way, ever noticed how most people use IRE bashing more to promote their own MUD than to slander IRE's MUDs? "Yeah, they suck, but look at what we have...

prof1515 · 03-19-2006, 02:30 PM

Ilkidarios · 03-19-2006, 05:02 PM

Everything was okay up to this point. I've never really seen someone use this tactic on the forum.

Most attacks are actually valid bad points of the IRE game system. However, certain individuals don't like Matt, and thus let this carry into their arguments. But even those folks wouldn't just use it as a cheap way to advertise their MUD.

Sarvasti · 03-19-2006, 05:03 PM

No, you don't have to spend credits to become one of the Council, You have to prove yourself to the city to be elected to become a council member. To be a part of a commune's/city's ruling council you have to be a guild leader, and nothing says you had to buy credits. Just prove that you will do a damn good job of running that guild and that city. You can TRANS a skill without buying credits OUT OF CHARACTER, there are Ingame credits which you have to spend gold on. NOT MONEY.

I would like to simply say this: Those of you have posted to this and said that Matt simply started this thread to provoke people, then don't be stupid enough to reply to it. (Not trying anything bad about Matt starting this) Matt, in my opinion, started this thread to get all of you who flame in other threads at Matt to flame in one place and not screw up those other threads. I've seen that sort of thing happen, on the Lusternia forums. It gets nasty. And we've got a rule on there: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. And many of the comments on here are personal attacks.

Ilkidarios · 03-19-2006, 05:05 PM

We already have a [Flames] thread, so I'm not sure why he would make this one.

Sarvasti · 03-19-2006, 05:11 PM

For his own enjoyment?

Ilkidarios · 03-20-2006, 12:48 AM

Probably, I obviously wasn't started for reasonable discussion. It's pretty much a bait thread. Some people act like it's to bring all the anti-IRE people into one area, but it's really only in certain areas anyways.

Luvan · 03-20-2006, 08:16 AM

FenringThalion · 03-20-2006, 12:09 PM

Matt r teh suck

Nerf IRE's ads plz

<insert random and badly spelled flame about Matt's mother's weight here>

kthxbye

Ilkidarios · 03-20-2006, 01:19 PM

You're acting like posts like that weren't the reason this thread was started. If Matt didn't want people to speak badly about him, then maybe he shouldn't have started an Iron Realms flame thread.

talith-malinos · 03-20-2006, 07:13 PM

ok well maybe he shouldn't of done that

talith of the rouges

Sarvasti · 03-20-2006, 08:53 PM

Why nerf IRE ads?

lovechiefs · 03-20-2006, 11:26 PM

I have already posted many times,but let me repeat.
My character is Ikki.I am playing all 4 of IRE muds.No one has ever asked me to pay for credits or such.The games are free to play,anytime,from anywhere.If players want to spend their money on credits,that is their right(I bought credits only once for Achaea).
However let me repeat this again.IRE MUDS ARE FREE TO PLAY

talith-malinos · 03-21-2006, 01:18 AM

i may not play ire's rpgs but i have looked at the reviews and have done the novice introductions and have progressed to high lvls without having or have been asked to buy credits

talith of the rouges

The_Disciple · 03-21-2006, 08:26 AM

lovechiefs and talith:

My question would be, but are you competitive in PvP?

Baram · 03-21-2006, 08:37 AM

I have been, and without spending money.

Anitra · 03-21-2006, 11:07 AM

talith-malinos @ Mar. 21 2006,02:18
What reviews? IRE don't allow any reviews.

And if you don't play, except for doing the newbie introductions, how exactly did you progress to high lvls?

Just curious, since your post doesn't make any sense at all to me.

Baram · 03-21-2006, 07:21 PM

Reviews, he might mean the testimonials IRE has from players on their website. As for the other part... I was thinking the same thing as you.

CookieMix · 03-21-2006, 08:46 PM

It's time for me to stop lurking and start posting. I'm a player that lurked these forums for last few months. Yesterday I formally registered as I thought it could not hurt. I haven't played MUDs for long (Just over a year now). I bring this to the boards- I played only two MUDs and one of them being IRE's (Achaea to be precise). I know zilch on programming and I have no MUD that I operate or work with.

It is possible in an IRE mud to attain the maximum level (And potential) without using money. The caveat here is time. Unless one person has mass amounts of free time and by mass I mean solid weeks, or even months of clocked gameplay. Another perspective is if one graphed this. For example- Population(y axis) against Maximum Potential (X axis). The graph will be a bimodal with the middle being the fewest as there are two distinctive classes or poles. The middle connecting both poles represent players with patience and or minimal sums of money. As the ends represent those who can afford it (time and money) or those who cannot (Not enough time or money).

So yes, Matt is technically right that his MUDs are free to play, since one can attain the maximum level and potential (In a much longer time frame). However, that person would need to have devoted substantial amounts of time to do so, an amount unparrallel to a person that payed.

Was I deceived by Matt and his firm? Well at first, I didn't know what credits were, but it was made evident within the first hour of gameplay having asked "What are these credits that peole keep talking about?". Do I wish that they can make credits more clear on the homepage or to newbies? Yes. Was I peeved? Not really but it was a shock and explained many oddities among players comparing to myself.

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03-18-2006, 08:15 AM	#61
Luvan Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 46

03-19-2006, 01:09 PM	#62
Gorgulu Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 41	I have been playing Lusternia for well over a year now. I have never once been 'solicited' to make a payment, and besides the announce posts in which the admins announce upcoming credit sales, I've never once heard a god suggesting that someone should buy credits, let alone demanding it. My current character is a Marquis within Magnagora, which is the highest rank a citizen can attain without being on the ruling council. He is also a high-ranking member of his guild, holds several positions (including guild protector and the head of the Ministry of the Ambassador), has reached level 70, has decent skills, and is, overall, a fairly well-known and respected authority within the gameworld. I have never sent IRE one penny of my money, and I doubt I ever will. There are plenty others like me. By the way, ever noticed how most people use IRE bashing more to promote their own MUD than to slander IRE's MUDs? "Yeah, they suck, but look at what we have...

03-19-2006, 02:30 PM	#63
prof1515 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 791

03-19-2006, 05:02 PM	#64
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	Everything was okay up to this point. I've never really seen someone use this tactic on the forum. Most attacks are actually valid bad points of the IRE game system. However, certain individuals don't like Matt, and thus let this carry into their arguments. But even those folks wouldn't just use it as a cheap way to advertise their MUD.

03-19-2006, 05:03 PM	#65
Sarvasti New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3	No, you don't have to spend credits to become one of the Council, You have to prove yourself to the city to be elected to become a council member. To be a part of a commune's/city's ruling council you have to be a guild leader, and nothing says you had to buy credits. Just prove that you will do a damn good job of running that guild and that city. You can TRANS a skill without buying credits OUT OF CHARACTER, there are Ingame credits which you have to spend gold on. NOT MONEY. I would like to simply say this: Those of you have posted to this and said that Matt simply started this thread to provoke people, then don't be stupid enough to reply to it. (Not trying anything bad about Matt starting this) Matt, in my opinion, started this thread to get all of you who flame in other threads at Matt to flame in one place and not screw up those other threads. I've seen that sort of thing happen, on the Lusternia forums. It gets nasty. And we've got a rule on there: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. And many of the comments on here are personal attacks.

03-19-2006, 05:05 PM	#66
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	We already have a [Flames] thread, so I'm not sure why he would make this one.

03-19-2006, 05:11 PM	#67
Sarvasti New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3	For his own enjoyment?

03-20-2006, 12:48 AM	#68
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	Probably, I obviously wasn't started for reasonable discussion. It's pretty much a bait thread. Some people act like it's to bring all the anti-IRE people into one area, but it's really only in certain areas anyways.

03-20-2006, 08:16 AM	#69
Luvan Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 46

03-20-2006, 12:09 PM	#70
FenringThalion New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2	Matt r teh suck Nerf IRE's ads plz <insert random and badly spelled flame about Matt's mother's weight here> kthxbye

03-20-2006, 01:19 PM	#71
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	You're acting like posts like that weren't the reason this thread was started. If Matt didn't want people to speak badly about him, then maybe he shouldn't have started an Iron Realms flame thread.

03-20-2006, 07:13 PM	#72
talith-malinos New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2	ok well maybe he shouldn't of done that talith of the rouges

03-20-2006, 08:53 PM	#73
Sarvasti New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3	Why nerf IRE ads?

03-20-2006, 11:26 PM	#74
lovechiefs Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 71	I have already posted many times,but let me repeat. My character is Ikki.I am playing all 4 of IRE muds.No one has ever asked me to pay for credits or such.The games are free to play,anytime,from anywhere.If players want to spend their money on credits,that is their right(I bought credits only once for Achaea). However let me repeat this again.IRE MUDS ARE FREE TO PLAY

03-21-2006, 01:18 AM	#75
talith-malinos New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2	i may not play ire's rpgs but i have looked at the reviews and have done the novice introductions and have progressed to high lvls without having or have been asked to buy credits talith of the rouges

03-21-2006, 08:26 AM	#76
The_Disciple Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 113	lovechiefs and talith: My question would be, but are you competitive in PvP?

03-21-2006, 08:37 AM	#77
Baram Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seoul Home MUD: Tears of Polaris Posts: 218	I have been, and without spending money.

03-21-2006, 11:07 AM	#78
Anitra Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 123	talith-malinos @ Mar. 21 2006,02:18 What reviews? IRE don't allow any reviews. And if you don't play, except for doing the newbie introductions, how exactly did you progress to high lvls? Just curious, since your post doesn't make any sense at all to me.

03-21-2006, 07:21 PM	#79
Baram Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seoul Home MUD: Tears of Polaris Posts: 218	Reviews, he might mean the testimonials IRE has from players on their website. As for the other part... I was thinking the same thing as you.

03-21-2006, 08:46 PM	#80
CookieMix New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2	It's time for me to stop lurking and start posting. I'm a player that lurked these forums for last few months. Yesterday I formally registered as I thought it could not hurt. I haven't played MUDs for long (Just over a year now). I bring this to the boards- I played only two MUDs and one of them being IRE's (Achaea to be precise). I know zilch on programming and I have no MUD that I operate or work with. It is possible in an IRE mud to attain the maximum level (And potential) without using money. The caveat here is time. Unless one person has mass amounts of free time and by mass I mean solid weeks, or even months of clocked gameplay. Another perspective is if one graphed this. For example- Population(y axis) against Maximum Potential (X axis). The graph will be a bimodal with the middle being the fewest as there are two distinctive classes or poles. The middle connecting both poles represent players with patience and or minimal sums of money. As the ends represent those who can afford it (time and money) or those who cannot (Not enough time or money). So yes, Matt is technically right that his MUDs are free to play, since one can attain the maximum level and potential (In a much longer time frame). However, that person would need to have devoted substantial amounts of time to do so, an amount unparrallel to a person that payed. Was I deceived by Matt and his firm? Well at first, I didn't know what credits were, but it was made evident within the first hour of gameplay having asked "What are these credits that peole keep talking about?". Do I wish that they can make credits more clear on the homepage or to newbies? Yes. Was I peeved? Not really but it was a shock and explained many oddities among players comparing to myself.

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