[Dulan]

[Alajha]

I think that Brody is trying to become a 'Big Player' on the forums here, for whatever reason; this is merely his way of getting attention for himself.
In some twisted fashion, he may actually expect gratitude from the MU*'s he's never played but hasn't a twinge of guilt about advertising for.

[the_logos]

Has it ever occurred to any of you that Burke's name might very well simply be an homage to the political writer, Edmund Burke? That may not be the case, but god, give the guy a break. "Reflections on the Revolution in France" was mandatory reading at university.

--matt
P.S. Keep it up Brody. Some people have nothing better to do than look for juvenile reasons to insult others. It's no wonder text mud boards aren't taken seriously and have no impact.

[Kitsune]

Actually, that struck me as really uncharacteristic as well.


As for the later post about Brodes trying to become a big player...  Well, he does post his fair share most the time anyway, pushing his own mud.  I think the original post seemed unoffensive enough and with little double meaning behind it.  

I mean, some of us still open doors for people with the unconscious 'ulterior motive' of feeling good about ourselves for doing something nice, to see someone smile, or just try to help others.

Unfortunately, it does seem to be a dying motive, nowadays.


People post reviews up top, Mudconnector has a random mud slot, even after all the arguments I can't see the problem with Brodes just posting a blurb of 'this looks interesting' on a mud that isn't in the top whatever.  Who is he to post his opinion?  Who are any of us?  Some people might catch something in the reading if they're looking for a new place and give it a shot.  Others might not.  Its no skin off anyone's teeth unless the mud owenr doesn't want it.  And what then?  Brody just edit/deletes the 'offending' post?  No biggie.  Otherwise, if you're not interested, don't read.

*shrugs*

** Editted to delete a comment I meant sarcastically and wish not to have misconstrued or offend anyone.

[enix]

I just thought I'd say this to those who are mad cause he dosnt play those MUDs he chooses. He never said he tryed them, hes just saying "Hey, these are some intersint looking features, you might try checking out this MUD." If you don liike that, then deal with it. Hes doing something nice, if you object, thats your right. But he dosnt have time, so he does the best he could, when he dosnt have to do it at all.

-Enix, Lord of Despair nad Sorrow

[Almondine War]

One think I know is that I would appreciate any help that I could recieve in advertising any MUD of mine on the lower lists, and it would make me feel good to see that someone approves of the features that I offer at my MUD.

I support any actions meant in goodwill, because it does indeed seem like a dying art.

If you don't want Brody to help you advertise, why? Is it because you don't want new players? If this is the case, I personally feel you should not have your MUD listed in the first place, because then that suggests it's open for public scrutiny.

Ah, well, I suppose that will be my two cents on this topic.

- Almondine War
-: :-

[Dulan]

[CSmith_Fan]

[Loremaster]

[KaVir]

You've not asked me. In fact, you've been ignoring me, after I've repeatedly asked you to answer my points. I've told you more than once how what you're doing is both offensive and fails to address the issues you claim to want to address, yet you've failed to response. I can only assume, therefore, that this has nothing to do with any desire to improve the mud community.

No, I posted exactly the same sort of thing as you did, after he specifically said that was what he wanted. If you feel otherwise, then please point out what the difference was between my post and yours. Both could be considered offensive, but could also be claimed otherwise. Neither included anything of value regarding the game itself.

I specifically chose not to, because you hadn't made it clear where you stood, and because I'd come to expect more from you than to obliviously ignore anyone who disagrees with you.

<snip rest>

[Samson]

Wow. This is the kind of thing I would have expected from some of the spammer people. But you? ####, even Dulan didn't go this far. Kavir, exactly when did I manage to **** you off to the point where simply stating my own opinion on a matter warrants this level of a response when I never asked Brody or anyone else to say one word about my mud? You keep going on about how it's offensive - yet you seem to be about the only person left who seems to believe that. A few others think Brody has a hidden agenda or just wants fame. Whatever, that's their opinions. They didn't resort to firing cheap shots out of nowhere for no real reason.

You want the difference? Brody did so out of the kindness of his heart, for the good of the community. Without being asked, and expecting nothing in return. He made no disparaging remarks, no offensive statements. I would have thought you would have been happy to see someone attempting to do something for the good of the community. Quite obviously I was wrong to hope for that. Your posting was clearly intended to be offensive and crude and was specifically used as an attempt at cruelty to try and make some sort of a point with me as the example of something. But guess what? All it's done is point out what an absolute ass you're willing to make of yourself when an agenda isn't going the way you want it to. I've seen it happen before, but never to this degree. No, I'm not about to point out examples with specific links to the offensive events. That would require more effort than I'm willing to put into a pointless flamewar that you yourself are perpetuating for some unknown reason.

If there's a conspiracy or hidden agenda here, it's not Brody's, it's not mine, and it probably isn't even Dulan's. It's yours and yours alone. Only *YOU* know your true motive. The rest of us will be left to speculate on it unless you decide to come clean and confess.

If the community leadership has fallen this far, God help us all.

Edit: BTW, reason we never make the rankings is because I'm not vote whoring, and there may be something wrong with our vote button anyway. I just haven't bothered to report it since it's not really that big of a deal for us. Those people who play like the place and stay around. Those who don't move on.

[Dulan]

Pshaw.

The only conspiracy here is between me and Brody, Samson! And keeping this thread active!

</sarcasm>

1) Yes, Brody does have some sort of ulterior motive. That is immediately obvious based on his responses and how he dodges certain questions, while answering others.

2) Yes, there is supposedly a far superior system that I brought up that does the same thing as this thread, just on the front page, similar to my suggestion (See previous comments in thread). Thus, there's no real reason for this thread, except for 1.

3) We're MUDders, Samson. Trying to get us to all play nice and kiss and makeup is like trying to get programmers to form a Union - it ain't happenin'. And, for many of the same reasons, too, no less!

-D

<Edit>

Incidentally, for those who apparently still don't get it, and persist in flaming me via PM's - I'd have never started if Brody didn't insist on this 'goodness of his heart' BS facade, and it served as a great way to prove my comments about the vocal minority. Now, please, direct all further PM's to /dev/null

[KaVir]

After I pointed out at some length why I found Body's posts offensive, you said "I find it rather odd that only Kavir and Dulan have taken such vocal opposition to this idea thus far. One I personally find to be perfectly fine. Almost too bad those muds who don't even make it to the 80-100 section can't also be underdogged/dark horsed/spotlighted as well". Yet when I post exactly the same style of post about your mud, it becomes a "cheap shot"?

When I found the posts offensive and suggested that Brody rethink his approach, you said that I apparently "have issues to deal with", yet when you take offense at exactly the same style of post made by myself to you, apparently I'm "offensive and crude". Do the words "double standards" and "hypocrite" mean anything to you?

If he were attempting to do it for the good of the community, then why would he simply ignore and/or disregard any posts which point out how his actions are completely failing to address such?

I did not insult Brody - in fact I praised what had the possibility to be turned into something constructive. However he seems completely oblivious to the reasons I gave as to why his currect approach offers nothing of value. If he disagreed, and gave valid reasons, that I would understand - even if I didn't agree. But he seems dead set on his course, quite happy to ignore other people. Is it ulterior motive, or simply pure pride and arrogance? I don't know, nor do I care, but what he offers now is worthless.

[Orion Elder]

I've specifically avoided posting on this thread up until this point. I understand the issue with the word 'underdog' (I thought of that when I first read it), however Brody has made clear that his intention was to give notice to these MUDs, not to harm them. Most of the people here haven't seen it as an attempt to harm them.

Alajha, who KaVir mentioned, also apologized to Brody (a fact KaVir neglected to mention). Brianna offered an alternative to stop the bickering.

Now... the reason I decided to respond now is because of KaVir's attempt at humor (I will assume it was an attempt at humor... the only other alternative to humor would be that he was being a jackass... and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt). It was lacking, and should not have been done. Also, KaVir implied that Samson WANTED HIS MUD specifically to be spotlighted in such a manner, then made a very bad joke ... that should not have been made.

But, then again... that's just my opinion.

[Samson]

Are you daft? Brody in no way set out to offend, you did so on purpose and for no valid reason other that to desperately try to make a point. Yes, it was a cheap shot for you to single me out as a pawn in your game. Other people seem to have noticed this as well based on the sudden volume of PM's I'm getting about it.

You do have issues to deal with. Not necessarily the ones you may think I'm implying you have, but that's hardly my problem now is it? Brody didn't respond to your attack, and that's got you in a wad because of it. My God, someone is ignoring the great and powerful Kavir! Call 911! Perhaps he was hoping by ignoring you you'd go away and leave it alone. Sadly it seems he was mistaken as you seem intent on continuing with this.

Yes. I found it rather odd that only you and Dulan specifically said it was offensive. Other people were questioning his motives, which isn't the same thing and you know it. If you can't accept what he has to say the first time he says it, then yes. You have issues. I for one take him at his word and am glad he's at least doing SOMETHING proactive.

You think it's worthless.... fine. Instead of resorting to attacks to make your point, offer constructive advice and leave it at that. For the good of the community. Don't resort to becoming a troll or a flamer. That only inflicts the very harm you once tried to prevent. No doubt I'm not the only person who's noticed lately that you've become quite bitter and upset about something. What that is nobody knows, but since I seem to be the first one here to attempt to point this out, I'm catching the flak for it.

So go ahead. Tell me I'm guilty of double standards, tell me I'm a f'ing idiot. Tell me I have no business being here and that I'm just a worthless troll who likes to spam forums for no other reason than to do so. Those who know me would know you were full of crap if you did.

[Dulan]

-cough- Please refer me to which post in which I stated that 'Underdog' was offensive, Samson, or please apologize for misquoting me.

However, KaVir does have a point, but the way that he is phrasing it makes it look like he's an asshat at the moment. Brody dodges any serious questions, and ignores any suggestions so as to improve this. That is what has me wondering - why is he dodging questions that could potentially prove or disprove my suspicions? Why does he not want to listen to anyone else's suggestions to possibly improve this? Why is he completely ignoring constructive (And not so constructive, I admit) criticism?

Think about that for a moment. That's the only reason I'm even piping up - What is his motives? If it WAS out of the goodness of his heart, he'd have addressed this already. But he hasn't. And he wouldn't be bloody well dodging questions (Burke'ing them, KaVir?).

-D

[kris]

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>Kris's Loser Thread of the Day</span>

A Bunch of Bickering Idiots
Website:
Telnet: None (thank God!)

At this writing, this thread is No. 1 on Top MUD Sites "Recent Posts" list.  It's a tedious game based on the classic, "Who Gets the Last Word" game.  Unprovoked personal attacks and pointless arguments are the best ways to gain power (because you FEEL powerful, therefore you must be).  You also score extra bonus points if you repeat your previous statements over and over and over!


Brody's a nice guy.... I think these idiot-fests are more entertaining when I'm the guy with the big red target painted on his chest.

Ok that's my ****-mark.  You may continue....


Oh btw, next person who posts is a homosexual....

--modified--
Aww I was hoping it would be Dulan or Orion....

[CSmith_Fan]

just wondering but...

....does this count?

Mind you..this was after Kavir pointed out that per his post "underdog" was used in the same sense as "looser" and one can construe under that idea that Brody's use was offensive (though it wasnt)

Just wondering...

 Oh and Kris's last comment is totally out of line..at least Kavir and Dul havent sunk *that* low and offensive.  BAd Kris Bad..now go play The Barney MUD for 10 hours

[kris]

Yah that was kinda the point; don't worry, I wasn't being very serious with that last comment =)

[the_logos]

Now that is offensive, joking or not.

--matt, who has been known to ban customers of his who use the phrase "That's gay." in public on his games.