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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
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Your claims of authorship and thus ownership are not proven by any evidence and in light of your similar claims regarding YouTube are highly subject to doubt. Just as a prosecutor must prove guilt, copyright requires evidence to prove that one has legitimate claim of ownership. You have not established any evidence to that effect that wasn't created by you after the fact and in denial of the facts, namely the fact that you used Diku in violation of the license. Quote:
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*listens to the crickets chirping* Last edited by prof1515 : 06-24-2009 at 02:55 AM. |
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
This thread is made out of win.
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
Locke reminds me of those guys on Judge Judy who keep trying to talk and she just says, "Shut up, I'm talking!".
Haha. And then the verdict is rendered by law and he still refuses to accept it. ![]() |
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
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In particular, the first and last paragraphs of the Piecewise Reimplementation section: "Many people have reimplemented computer programs by rewriting them to replace the source code with code of their own writing. There is no reason to believe that this would not be a copyright infringement, particularly if the reimplementer had access to the source code of the original program, even if none of the original source code remains." "Even if you completely replace the program with new code, nonliteral elements also protected by the original program’s copyright are likely to remain and infringe – elements like the overall program structure or architecture and data structures that are not dictated by external or efficiency considerations. Although there is no case law on this point, it would seem that the only way to break the chain of infringing works is by some extraordinary act, such as a clean room implementation." |
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
Locke,
I've done copyright research and analysis for a very large company with the team of lawyers collectively known as the Nazgul, and they were VERY explicit about this matter. Your work is clearly derivative, and claims otherwise would fall flat immediately in an american court of law. It's problems like this that make me thankful over and over that I actually wrote AA from scratch. It was worth the extra effort. -dentin Alter Aeon MUD - An Online RPG |
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Moving on, I hadn't heard of this transformative vs derivative thing before so I find this discussion very interesting. I admit that I can see what fanfic writers are getting at but using it in different context confuses me. Does this mean that if I removed an engine from a parked car, removed the car and left the engine there, then bought an engine and placed it in the car, it becomes a transformative car? Or would I need to keep the engine, take it apart and replace most of the parts before putting it back in the car? |
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Agreed. I don't understand half the legalese here, but I get the jist of it which boils down to "Uh huh!" followed by "Nuh uh!" and then in a big circle.
Good stuff, guys. I also invented fire. Prometheus is just a thief and a LIAR. He owes me billions by now. |
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This does actually bring up a question to me, if I create a new source file in my game, do I then go and put Diku/Merc credits at the top of it? (I mean an honestly NEW source, not just chopping up parts of act_wiz.c and putting them into new files ;p).
IE. Say I write behavioral code for a mob AI and put it in behave.c, should I then put the Diku/Merc/Rom credits at the top of that file as well? |
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Creating a new file doesn't guarantee that it won't be a derivative (as it might include code copied in whole or part from elsewhere), but if you've written it from scratch without conscious copying then IMO you shouldn't add the Diku copyright notice to that file.
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That file wouldn't need it, but if ANY piece (even one line) of the whole game was taken from DIKU then it is a derivative and must follow the license (put them in the credits, etc). I look at it in the same way that the USG does security classification, if I have a 100 page document and 1 sentance is SECRET then the whole document is SECRET (and I just mark which one is, ie put the DIKU license on that page of the source).
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Then you should have thought of that before stealing the code, yes?
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
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Stop making unfounded claims about "theft" - again, a word that Hans Henrik Staerfeldt doesn't even use to describe "violating a software license". And no, this is not an admission but merely an observation that your two remaining braincells are having difficulty making. |
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
The fair use doctrine allows you to use limited portions of a work for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. It's not there to let you strip the copyright notices from someone else's work and pass it off as your own.
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
Now you're grasping at straws. What is func str_cmp()? Is a function written by the Diku team as part of Diku, or is it part of some library they used (which would have its own license, or be released into the public domain).
I'm quite sure it is the later. In which case if you take the line from Diku where they call that function, then THAT line is under the Diku license. |
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This isn't really about trying to get you to change. It's about making sure other people who might unwittingly believe your lies don't get burned at the stake later as code thieves if someone comes along to work on their stuff and sees the credits have all been stripped. |
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Re: Compliance reminder if your MUD uses OLC
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if ( !str_cmp(buf, "open") ) return buf; on its own, is not owned by Diku. Diku Group -- not the university -- owns the body of work called DikuMUD. It's not the Diku license, but the Diku Group's license. Anyway, go on living in your delusion, I'm outta here. *wave* |
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Actually it's been said more than once that the license is the way it is because they used university resources to develop the codebase. So it could well be the university's license.
In either case, you're still a code thief for violating that license no matter who actually has controlling interest in it. |
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BTW, thought you said you were leaving? Oh, that's right, you lied again. How nice. |
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