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Yui Unifex · 06-23-2005, 08:05 PM

The only action Jason's question presupposes is the proven unethical behavior on Medievia's part. So no, it doesn't sound like the old loaded question at all.

Threshold · 06-23-2005, 08:36 PM

Your reading comprehension hasn't improved.

It presupposes that anyone who does not expressly comment on the matter (including anyone who has not been involved in the issue at all) supports and approves of the behavior. The connection is that in both examples, the desired answer is virtually guaranteed simply by the way the question is posed.

Nice attempt at changing the subject though and trying to redirect attention from Jason's reprehensible and hypocritical behavior.

viggs · 06-23-2005, 09:24 PM

I am gratful atleast, that the signatures of the guilty feeling posters have a list of muds I will never check out.

Threshold · 06-23-2005, 11:42 PM

Care to explain what you mean?

viggs · 06-24-2005, 02:20 AM

[quote= (Threshold @ June 23 2005,20:35)]Ill just use your own words to answer your question, Penis.

prof1515 · 06-24-2005, 03:21 AM

Actually, you are the one whose reading comprehension appears to be sub-par. I asked first if anyone who defended Medievia believed that what Medievia did was right. If "yes", they could simply state it. If "no", they could simply state that. Since you appeared to be afraid to answer the question, I made it easier. By simply remaining silent, you could answer it yourself without having to subject yourself to posting your shameful immorality. Now, if you truly didn't approve of their actions, what harm would come from answering "no" since it would be a statement in support of ethical behavior and no shame (excepting perhaps amongst Medievia and other thieves) would come of it.

Speaking of changing the subject, I note that you have yet to say "No" in regard to supporting Medievia's unethical behavior which is very suggestive.

Take care,

Jason

Yui Unifex · 06-24-2005, 07:28 AM

Your issue is with how a non-answer is interpreted, not how a question is loaded. You are confusing two wholly separate acts.

You're the one that introduced the poor analogy. There's nothing wrong with setting things straight.

Angie · 06-24-2005, 08:03 AM

Well, a quick visit to makes it clear Threshold doesn't lose much sleep over copyright violations. What's up with all that artwork?

rotm_adm · 06-24-2005, 10:18 AM

On the subject of Threshold RPG and the rules of LPMuds (a user of LPmuds and MudOS can see the environment easily), some might want to also know why Aristotle is also rewarding players directly for 'registering' -- thus turning his game into a shareware based LPmud:

This creates something of a Medievia as well, doesn't it?

[code]
EDIT; Please do not post copyrighted material (ie. help files) as per terms of Threshold RPG.
[/quote]

Threshold · 06-24-2005, 08:59 PM

You don't grasp the issue.

Where do you get the right to demand an answer from me on this issue, when I was never a participant in the discussion?

Where do you get off saying that if I don't share my opinion on Medievia in THIS thread that I therefore support them? Again, do some research if you want my opinion on the matter. Get one of the many stalkers (some have apparently appeared in this thread) to help you.

Are you so mired in your crusade that you don't even care when you act like an unethical jerk?

And to the other jerk in this thead: Threshold is not an LPMUD.

Is this what the forum has come to? People are not even allowed to remain silent on an issue if they want to? Either you agree with the horde, and join their attack, or you will get attacked yourself?

You people are really just a bunch of thugs.

prof1515 · 06-24-2005, 09:17 PM

It is you whose grasp is weak. I didn't specify any thread. I asked those who defended Medievia (without noting any particular thread/debate) if they agreed with Medievia's unethical behavior. Instead of answering, you continue to evade the question. You resort to throwing out insults and incoherent statements but still have not answered the question as posed:

Do you or do you not agree with Medievia's unethical behavior?

Now, if you agree with their behavior, all you have to do is continue to not respond and your guilt will be understood. However, if you disagree with their behavior, type "No". Since typing "No" appears to be difficult for you, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't condoning their behavior and are instead having difficulty typing. So, I'll make it even easier. Just type "n" instead. It can even be in lower case!

Take care,

Jason

Threshold · 06-24-2005, 09:29 PM

Are you normally this clueless or has your crusade just blinded you?

Read exactly what you just said. Now, when exactly did I defend Medievia? Answer: never.

Thus, you owe me an apology. If you are a man of integrity, you'll provide an unconditional one. If you aren't, well, then everyone gets the chance to see your true colors.

What you don't understand is that what I think about this matter is my business, and nobody, not even someone as arrogant as you, has a right to COMPEL me to share my opinions when I do not wish to.

prof1515 · 06-24-2005, 09:53 PM

Ah, yes, I'm the one who should be apologizing. Let's review your recent posts, shall we?

I note you still haven't said "n" (even in the lower case).

Take care,

Jason

Threshold · 06-24-2005, 10:00 PM

You clearly owe me an apology and you don't even have the integrity to give it.

You erroneously grouped me with people based on something I never did, and don't have the honesty to own up to it.

If I want to use harsh language, I'm entitled to it after the thuggish behavior of you and your ilk in this thread towards me. Nice attempt at a smoke screen by trying to change the subject though.

You said and did something very wrong. You got caught. You won't own up to it. Every reader can clearly see this and conclude quite accurately that you are an unethical man with absolutely no integrity whatsoever.

You really just don't get it, do you.

Get off your arrogant high horse where you think you have the right to demand an answer from me on a discussion I was never a part of.

You said you were only demanding an answer from people who supported Medievia. I never did. Thus you should stop trying to demand an answer from me and apologize. But you just can't bring yourself to act like a decent person.

It just makes you squirm in your seat at the very THOUGHT of having to admit you made a mistake and apologize. That is truly sad and pathetic.

prof1515 · 06-24-2005, 10:05 PM

Fine. I'm sorry if you were offended because someone questioned your behavior and you were unwilling to owe up to it. And obviously, the other people who wondered why you are so unwilling to simply state that you don't support theft are also horrible people. How dare we all question the_logos' mighty lapdog?

My apologies if I made you feel uncomfortable with yourself.

Take care,

Jason

P.S.--I notice you still have yet to say "No" or even "n".

Threshold · 06-24-2005, 10:27 PM

Are we back to this one of your mistakes again?

What behavior of mine?

We already established that you screwed up and said I had defended Medievia.

We already established that you screwed up and thought I was involved in the discussion of Medievia at all.

I have no behavior to own up to. You are the one who has behavior that needs to be owned up to, hypocrite. I was not involved in any way. I did not defend them. I have never defended Medievia.

For some crazy reason, you decided to group me along with others for your attack.

And by the way, your **** poor sarcastic non-apology is just further evidence you simply aren't man enough to own up to your mistakes and apologize for them sincerely.

Your arrogance is boundless. You have no right to DEMAND my statement one way or the other when I have never been a participant or defender in the discussions here.

Don't you understand that my opinion on Medievia is well known and is recorded in the permanent annals of usenet? KaVir even mentioned it in another thread here. This is a matter of principle. I do not have to restate my opinion here just because one arrogant, deceitful prick (you) wants me to.

If you want to know my stance, stop being lazy and look it up. You're the one who seems so hellbent on knowing my stance. Thus the onus is on YOU to go out and find it rather than using an unethical and despicable ruse to try and force it out of me.

viggs · 06-24-2005, 10:29 PM

Now I havent searched the entire forum. but in this thread I dont think Threshold has said a word until you brought up his name. I know I dont know Thres's history on this matter but I am a little confused. Clue me in??

Ilkidarios · 06-25-2005, 12:09 AM

Oh LORD Jesus. Jason and Thresh you two need to calm down. Can either of you tell me what any of this has to do with Medievia? Or is this one of those personal vendettas you guys always seem to get into. You know, Matt is Dr. King compared to you two.

prof1515 · 06-25-2005, 03:40 AM

Nothing which is why I'm happy to end it.

I am honestly too lazy to look it up but I'm glad to take Threshold at his word. If I made a mistake, I'm sorry in lumping him together with the_logos. It's perhaps the result of his defense of Matt in the past that I may have made such an error. *shrug* Don't know. In any respect, I have no problem apologizing if I am wrong and no problem accepting that if I am wrong.

Either way, my question to those who defended Medievia still stands and we have yet to hear from them. And that does say a lot about how they view such acts.

Take care,

Jason

Davairus · 06-25-2005, 06:37 AM

Since I barely frequent the forums, I'll be ok with medievia on the list, if it means our site gets more views from here. I can care less about what playerbases other muds have, I just want mine to get better. Put porn banners for traffic for all I care.. but since AR has been forced down a place I don't feel very convinced this is helping ... can we see some numbers to show that this ups the hits of every mud?

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06-23-2005, 08:05 PM	#161
Yui Unifex Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 323	The only action Jason's question presupposes is the proven unethical behavior on Medievia's part. So no, it doesn't sound like the old loaded question at all.

06-23-2005, 08:36 PM	#162
Threshold Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 1,260	Your reading comprehension hasn't improved. It presupposes that anyone who does not expressly comment on the matter (including anyone who has not been involved in the issue at all) supports and approves of the behavior. The connection is that in both examples, the desired answer is virtually guaranteed simply by the way the question is posed. Nice attempt at changing the subject though and trying to redirect attention from Jason's reprehensible and hypocritical behavior.

06-23-2005, 09:24 PM	#163
viggs New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6	I am gratful atleast, that the signatures of the guilty feeling posters have a list of muds I will never check out.

06-23-2005, 11:42 PM	#164
Threshold Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 1,260	Care to explain what you mean?

06-24-2005, 02:20 AM	#165
viggs New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6	[quote= (Threshold @ June 23 2005,20:35)]Ill just use your own words to answer your question, Penis.

06-24-2005, 03:21 AM	#166
prof1515 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 791	Actually, you are the one whose reading comprehension appears to be sub-par. I asked first if anyone who defended Medievia believed that what Medievia did was right. If "yes", they could simply state it. If "no", they could simply state that. Since you appeared to be afraid to answer the question, I made it easier. By simply remaining silent, you could answer it yourself without having to subject yourself to posting your shameful immorality. Now, if you truly didn't approve of their actions, what harm would come from answering "no" since it would be a statement in support of ethical behavior and no shame (excepting perhaps amongst Medievia and other thieves) would come of it. Speaking of changing the subject, I note that you have yet to say "No" in regard to supporting Medievia's unethical behavior which is very suggestive. Take care, Jason

06-24-2005, 07:28 AM	#167
Yui Unifex Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 323	Your issue is with how a non-answer is interpreted, not how a question is loaded. You are confusing two wholly separate acts. You're the one that introduced the poor analogy. There's nothing wrong with setting things straight.

06-24-2005, 08:03 AM	#168
Angie Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Prague Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 134	Well, a quick visit to makes it clear Threshold doesn't lose much sleep over copyright violations. What's up with all that artwork?

06-24-2005, 10:18 AM	#169
rotm_adm Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Waycross, GA USA Posts: 45	On the subject of Threshold RPG and the rules of LPMuds (a user of LPmuds and MudOS can see the environment easily), some might want to also know why Aristotle is also rewarding players directly for 'registering' -- thus turning his game into a shareware based LPmud: This creates something of a Medievia as well, doesn't it? [code] EDIT; Please do not post copyrighted material (ie. help files) as per terms of Threshold RPG. [/quote]

06-24-2005, 08:59 PM	#170
Threshold Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 1,260	You don't grasp the issue. Where do you get the right to demand an answer from me on this issue, *when I was never a participant in the discussion?* Where do you get off saying that if I don't share my opinion on Medievia in THIS thread that I therefore support them? Again, do some research if you want my opinion on the matter. Get one of the many stalkers (some have apparently appeared in this thread) to help you. Are you so mired in your crusade that you don't even care when you act like an unethical jerk? And to the other jerk in this thead: Threshold is not an LPMUD. Is this what the forum has come to? People are not even allowed to remain silent on an issue if they want to? Either you agree with the horde, and join their attack, or you will get attacked yourself? You people are really just a bunch of thugs.

06-24-2005, 09:17 PM	#171
prof1515 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 791	It is you whose grasp is weak. I didn't specify any thread. I asked those who defended Medievia (without noting any particular thread/debate) if they agreed with Medievia's unethical behavior. Instead of answering, you continue to evade the question. You resort to throwing out insults and incoherent statements but still have not answered the question as posed: Do you or do you not agree with Medievia's unethical behavior? Now, if you agree with their behavior, all you have to do is continue to not respond and your guilt will be understood. However, if you disagree with their behavior, type "No". Since typing "No" appears to be difficult for you, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't condoning their behavior and are instead having difficulty typing. So, I'll make it even easier. Just type "n" instead. It can even be in lower case! Take care, Jason

06-24-2005, 09:29 PM	#172
Threshold Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 1,260	Are you normally this clueless or has your crusade just blinded you? Read exactly what you just said. Now, when exactly did I defend Medievia? Answer: never. Thus, you owe me an apology. If you are a man of integrity, you'll provide an unconditional one. If you aren't, well, then everyone gets the chance to see your true colors. What you don't understand is that what I think about this matter is my business, and nobody, not even someone as arrogant as you, has a right to COMPEL me to share my opinions when I do not wish to.

06-24-2005, 09:53 PM	#173
prof1515 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 791	Ah, yes, I'm the one who should be apologizing. Let's review your recent posts, shall we? I note you still haven't said "n" (even in the lower case). Take care, Jason

06-24-2005, 10:00 PM	#174
Threshold Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 1,260	You clearly owe me an apology and you don't even have the integrity to give it. You erroneously grouped me with people based on something I never did, and don't have the honesty to own up to it. If I want to use harsh language, I'm entitled to it after the thuggish behavior of you and your ilk in this thread towards me. Nice attempt at a smoke screen by trying to change the subject though. You said and did something very wrong. You got caught. You won't own up to it. Every reader can clearly see this and conclude quite accurately that you are an unethical man with absolutely no integrity whatsoever. You really just don't get it, do you. Get off your arrogant high horse where you think you have the right to demand an answer from me on a discussion I was never a part of. You said you were only demanding an answer from people who supported Medievia. I never did. Thus you should stop trying to demand an answer from me and apologize. But you just can't bring yourself to act like a decent person. It just makes you squirm in your seat at the very THOUGHT of having to admit you made a mistake and apologize. That is truly sad and pathetic.

06-24-2005, 10:05 PM	#175
prof1515 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 791	Fine. I'm sorry if you were offended because someone questioned your behavior and you were unwilling to owe up to it. And obviously, the other people who wondered why you are so unwilling to simply state that you don't support theft are also horrible people. How dare we all question the_logos' mighty lapdog? My apologies if I made you feel uncomfortable with yourself. Take care, Jason P.S.--I notice you still have yet to say "No" or even "n".

06-24-2005, 10:27 PM	#176
Threshold Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 1,260	Are we back to this one of your mistakes again? What behavior of mine? We already established that you screwed up and said I had defended Medievia. We already established that you screwed up and thought I was involved in the discussion of Medievia at all. I have no behavior to own up to. You are the one who has behavior that needs to be owned up to, hypocrite. I was not involved in any way. I did not defend them. I have never defended Medievia. For some crazy reason, you decided to group me along with others for your attack. And by the way, your **** poor sarcastic non-apology is just further evidence you simply aren't man enough to own up to your mistakes and apologize for them sincerely. Your arrogance is boundless. You have no right to DEMAND my statement one way or the other when I have never been a participant or defender in the discussions here. Don't you understand that my opinion on Medievia is well known and is recorded in the permanent annals of usenet? KaVir even mentioned it in another thread here. This is a matter of principle. I do not have to restate my opinion here just because one arrogant, deceitful prick (you) wants me to. If you want to know my stance, stop being lazy and look it up. You're the one who seems so hellbent on knowing my stance. Thus the onus is on YOU to go out and find it rather than using an unethical and despicable ruse to try and force it out of me.

06-24-2005, 10:29 PM	#177
viggs New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6	Now I havent searched the entire forum. but in this thread I dont think Threshold has said a word until you brought up his name. I know I dont know Thres's history on this matter but I am a little confused. Clue me in??

06-25-2005, 12:09 AM	#178
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	Oh LORD Jesus. Jason and Thresh you two need to calm down. Can either of you tell me what any of this has to do with Medievia? Or is this one of those personal vendettas you guys always seem to get into. You know, Matt is Dr. King compared to you two.

06-25-2005, 03:40 AM	#179
prof1515 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 791	Nothing which is why I'm happy to end it. I am honestly too lazy to look it up but I'm glad to take Threshold at his word. If I made a mistake, I'm sorry in lumping him together with the_logos. It's perhaps the result of his defense of Matt in the past that I may have made such an error. shrug Don't know. In any respect, I have no problem apologizing if I am wrong and no problem accepting that if I am wrong. Either way, my question to those who defended Medievia still stands and we have yet to hear from them. And that does say a lot about how they view such acts. Take care, Jason

06-25-2005, 06:37 AM	#180
Davairus Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 159	Since I barely frequent the forums, I'll be ok with medievia on the list, if it means our site gets more views from here. I can care less about what playerbases other muds have, I just want mine to get better. Put porn banners for traffic for all I care.. but since AR has been forced down a place I don't feel very convinced this is helping ... can we see some numbers to show that this ups the hits of every mud?

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