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GuruPlayer · 05-08-2005, 11:24 PM

Cripes, you really are an arrogant a**hole!! Listen to your partners & quit embarassing them!

the_logos · 05-08-2005, 11:28 PM

Heh heh. That's too funny. My partners and I were taking bets on how long it would take before some idiot flamed us for donating money to help a non-commercial MUD promote itself. The prevailing sentiment was that it'd take 3 posts but it appears only 1 was necessary!

Chuckle-worthy.

Incidentally, what my partners objected to was lowering myself to arguing with people like you rather than just announcing what we're going to do and not worrying about whether you like it or not, as people like you don't matter. Believe me, they have even more contempt for your type than I do.

--matt

Samson · 05-08-2005, 11:42 PM

You've dropped to a whole new low with this one. Makes me wonder what sort of behind the scenes deal you struck with Mike.

Galleus · 05-09-2005, 01:04 AM

Such abject paranoia. Must acts of outright charity be maligned purely for their source? Matt has maintained a long standing place in this community, and yes, of course it benefits him that the community continue to prosper. But hardly any more or nearly as much as it would any who wishes to take him up on his offer. Were it otherwise so perhaps the matter could reliably be called into question. However, seeing as how it is not, it is nothing more than irresponsible to so staunchly oppose such an act for little reason beyond a distaste for the man who has offered it.

KaVir · 05-09-2005, 04:04 AM

A 'long standing place' of initiating plug after flame war after plug, disrupting the boards for everyone else, yes. And if he were really that interested in helping the community, why does he openly support those who steal the work of others?

Shao_Long · 05-09-2005, 05:24 AM

How very kind of you ...

Is it just me, or this post just reeks of arrogance? "Make me laugh somehow, and I will throw you a slice of bread off my table, maybe."

I will be amazed if anyone will take this offer. Though I've been amazed more than once by behavior of people on these forums recently, so who knows...

KaVir · 05-09-2005, 05:42 AM

There'll always be some prideless pauper in any community who'll relish the scraps from another man's table.

Lisaera · 05-09-2005, 08:31 AM

While I'm aware even as I write this that it'll get ignored as my connection with IRE obviously automatically makes me one of Matt's lapdogs, I don't remember him condoning anything Medievia does or doesn't do anywhere.

I'm not sure exactly where the idea that Matt is evil for offering a couple of advertisement places came from, but I have, as of yet, seen no logic behind it at all. Not all things are done selfishly, though Matt has often spoken of the "rising tide raising all ships", so if you must believe in some kind of self-serving motivation, that one is entirely plausible.

PhoenixFlare · 05-09-2005, 08:40 AM

Go read some of the Medievia-related posts from yesterday in which Matt was taking on all comers that dared to disagree with their position - perhaps it will become a bit clearer.

Oh, and though i'm sure you could care less about one puny player - as someone that's been lurking here for a long time and mudding in various places for 10 years, i've lost any and all desire to ever play any IRE games after all the rubbish that was posted yesterday. Thanks guys!

Lisaera · 05-09-2005, 08:55 AM

Valg · 05-09-2005, 09:20 AM

Flawed analogy. Medievia continues to profit off of their stolen, uncredited work, and therefore continues to earn their status. They damage the community directly- several developers have cited their theft as the reason they do not presently care to release free codebases to the public.

Germany was welcomed back into the international community after they (forcibly) reconstructed their government, accepted responsibility for their actions, showed proper contrition, and, most importantly, ceased the acts that led to them being an international pariah.

PhoenixFlare · 05-09-2005, 09:28 AM

Therein lies the problem - quite a large group of people (including myself) do not feel that Medievia has completed their pennance, or feel that they are not even attempting to repent & change.

Instead of accepting this, Matt seems to have chosen to treat anyone that disagrees with Medievia's position as a cross between an enemy and a total idiot - to the point where his business partners apparently had to tell him to stay quiet because he was generating bad publicity.

No matter how many times you, or Matt, or Soleil make the flabbergasted "We can't understand why you fools won't give up and accept us" posts, it's not going to change anything, and it's only going to cause more trouble for everyone. Since this mess began, I notice Medievia has slipped in the vote tally from being in 3rd to barely in 6th, for example.

There is such a huge difference between the two situations, I can't see how this is a valid comparison at all. There is almost nothing in common with Germany's reparations after the war atrocities, and the thieves of Medievia that refuse to even apologize, much less stop the problem acts.

Hajamin · 05-09-2005, 10:27 AM

While all I know about this situation is what I have read here, and what Lisaera has told me, all I have to say is simple. How do we know they didn't completely remove all the DIKU code, and are not 100% original? If they are, then good, and welcome back to the community. If they didn't, I'm sure it will be found out, and they will again be banned.

KaVir · 05-09-2005, 10:36 AM

Because it's the same mud - all they did was increment the version number.

the_logos · 05-09-2005, 12:08 PM

Incidentally, for clarification, I didn't mean the mud description has to make me laugh as in "Haha, you suck." More as in "Haha, what a great original concept." Quite a few MUDs have emailed me and while I'd like to be able to give the banner spots to all of you, I have to pick. I'll pick in a couple days to give people more time to see the thread.

--matt

WarHound · 05-09-2005, 12:57 PM

the_logos · 05-09-2005, 12:59 PM

#### it! I was really hoping I'd hear from them. I thought that was an interesting concept.

--matt

Shao_Long · 05-09-2005, 02:21 PM

What do "great, original concepts" have to do with making people laugh? I don't see why would anyone be laughing at a "great, original concept"...

the_logos · 05-09-2005, 02:50 PM

Don't you sometimes just laugh out loud when something delights you? That was my reaction to Age of Reptiles, for instance.

--matt

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05-08-2005, 10:52 PM	#1
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305

05-08-2005, 11:24 PM	#2
GuruPlayer Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 73	Cripes, you really are an arrogant a**hole!! Listen to your partners & quit embarassing them!

05-08-2005, 11:28 PM	#3
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Heh heh. That's too funny. My partners and I were taking bets on how long it would take before some idiot flamed us for donating money to help a non-commercial MUD promote itself. The prevailing sentiment was that it'd take 3 posts but it appears only 1 was necessary! Chuckle-worthy. Incidentally, what my partners objected to was lowering myself to arguing with people like you rather than just announcing what we're going to do and not worrying about whether you like it or not, as people like you don't matter. Believe me, they have even more contempt for your type than I do. --matt

05-08-2005, 11:42 PM	#4
Samson Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United Socialist States of America Home MUD: SmaugMuds.org Home MUD: Arthmoor MUD Hosting Posts: 249	You've dropped to a whole new low with this one. Makes me wonder what sort of behind the scenes deal you struck with Mike.

05-09-2005, 01:04 AM	#5
Galleus Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Amherst, MA Home MUD: Aetolia, the Midnight Age Posts: 34	Such abject paranoia. Must acts of outright charity be maligned purely for their source? Matt has maintained a long standing place in this community, and yes, of course it benefits him that the community continue to prosper. But hardly any more or nearly as much as it would any who wishes to take him up on his offer. Were it otherwise so perhaps the matter could reliably be called into question. However, seeing as how it is not, it is nothing more than irresponsible to so staunchly oppose such an act for little reason beyond a distaste for the man who has offered it.

05-09-2005, 04:04 AM	#6
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	A 'long standing place' of initiating plug after flame war after plug, disrupting the boards for everyone else, yes. And if he were really that interested in helping the community, why does he openly support those who steal the work of others?

05-09-2005, 05:24 AM	#7
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	How very kind of you ... Is it just me, or this post just reeks of arrogance? "Make me laugh somehow, and I will throw you a slice of bread off my table, maybe." I will be amazed if anyone will take this offer. Though I've been amazed more than once by behavior of people on these forums recently, so who knows...

05-09-2005, 05:42 AM	#8
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	There'll always be some prideless pauper in any community who'll relish the scraps from another man's table.

05-09-2005, 08:31 AM	#9
Lisaera Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	While I'm aware even as I write this that it'll get ignored as my connection with IRE obviously automatically makes me one of Matt's lapdogs, I don't remember him condoning anything Medievia does or doesn't do anywhere. I'm not sure exactly where the idea that Matt is evil for offering a couple of advertisement places came from, but I have, as of yet, seen no logic behind it at all. Not all things are done selfishly, though Matt has often spoken of the "rising tide raising all ships", so if you must believe in some kind of self-serving motivation, that one is entirely plausible.

05-09-2005, 08:40 AM	#10
PhoenixFlare New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	Go read some of the Medievia-related posts from yesterday in which Matt was taking on all comers that dared to disagree with their position - perhaps it will become a bit clearer. Oh, and though i'm sure you could care less about one puny player - as someone that's been lurking here for a long time and mudding in various places for 10 years, i've lost any and all desire to ever play any IRE games after all the rubbish that was posted yesterday. Thanks guys!

05-09-2005, 08:55 AM	#11
Lisaera Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34

05-09-2005, 09:20 AM	#12
Valg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 643	Flawed analogy. Medievia continues to profit off of their stolen, uncredited work, and therefore continues to earn their status. They damage the community directly- several developers have cited their theft as the reason they do not presently care to release free codebases to the public. Germany was welcomed back into the international community after they (forcibly) reconstructed their government, accepted responsibility for their actions, showed proper contrition, and, most importantly, ceased the acts that led to them being an international pariah.

05-09-2005, 09:28 AM	#13
PhoenixFlare New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	Therein lies the problem - quite a large group of people (including myself) do not feel that Medievia has completed their pennance, or feel that they are not even attempting to repent & change. Instead of accepting this, Matt seems to have chosen to treat anyone that disagrees with Medievia's position as a cross between an enemy and a total idiot - to the point where his business partners apparently had to tell him to stay quiet because he was generating bad publicity. No matter how many times you, or Matt, or Soleil make the flabbergasted "We can't understand why you fools won't give up and accept us" posts, it's not going to change anything, and it's only going to cause more trouble for everyone. Since this mess began, I notice Medievia has slipped in the vote tally from being in 3rd to barely in 6th, for example. There is such a huge difference between the two situations, I can't see how this is a valid comparison at all. There is almost nothing in common with Germany's reparations after the war atrocities, and the thieves of Medievia that refuse to even apologize, much less stop the problem acts.

05-09-2005, 10:27 AM	#14
Hajamin Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lusternia Posts: 35	While all I know about this situation is what I have read here, and what Lisaera has told me, all I have to say is simple. How do we know they didn't completely remove all the DIKU code, and are not 100% original? If they are, then good, and welcome back to the community. If they didn't, I'm sure it will be found out, and they will again be banned.

05-09-2005, 10:36 AM	#15
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	Because it's the same mud - all they did was increment the version number.

05-09-2005, 12:08 PM	#16
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Incidentally, for clarification, I didn't mean the mud description has to make me laugh as in "Haha, you suck." More as in "Haha, what a great original concept." Quite a few MUDs have emailed me and while I'd like to be able to give the banner spots to all of you, I have to pick. I'll pick in a couple days to give people more time to see the thread. --matt

05-09-2005, 12:57 PM	#17
WarHound Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Locked in a place where no one goes... Home MUD: Armageddon.org Posts: 219

05-09-2005, 12:59 PM	#18
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	#### it! I was really hoping I'd hear from them. I thought that was an interesting concept. --matt

05-09-2005, 02:21 PM	#19
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	What do "great, original concepts" have to do with making people laugh? I don't see why would anyone be laughing at a "great, original concept"...

05-09-2005, 02:50 PM	#20
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Don't you sometimes just laugh out loud when something delights you? That was my reaction to Age of Reptiles, for instance. --matt

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