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lovechiefs · 01-18-2008, 12:44 AM

Hello all
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What is BatMUD?

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BatMUD has many features including a friendly community and friendly staff, in game realm maps,automatic mapper for the outerworld, many different channels where people can chat.

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the_logos · 01-18-2008, 02:31 AM

Batmud is awesome. It's the premiere LPMUD.

I was a wiz there two different times in the early 90s! I have fond memories of a North America Batmud meet in '93(?) at some big amusement park in Ohio. I was too hungover to really ride any rides but it's a great memory.

-matt

KaVir · 01-18-2008, 06:33 AM

It's nice to see how views can change over the years, and pretty encouraging from a development perspective. As luck would have it, I was researching into the whole "text muds are dying" fixation last night, prompted by an , and stumbled across an old quote of yours:

"Although its really a lame hack n' slash mud, the biggest I've ever seen is batmud, which has an imposed limit of 150 players at once on." -- .

You run a few fairly successful muds, so I'd certainly be interested to hear what you feel can turn a "lame" mud into an "awesome" one. Are there any specific features or changes that helped, or do you think it's mostly due to all-round polishing and refinement over the years? Are there any specific things you feel new muds could learn from BatMUD's example?

lovechiefs · 01-18-2008, 09:32 AM

Nice Matt.Wasn't aware.
Yea,BatMUD is a great game. Not only do they have all of those features,but in addition to that the game is not roleplay required/enforced. Players can talk in different channels about politics,football,hockey and so forth.All of this while playing. I have also rarely seen as much help for new players as I have seen in BatMUD.
In addition, their client is awesome.Nice colors,nice maps.Basically a very good client

I still like your games Matt,but I am just not into heavy roleplay(even though Achaea files say that roleplay is advised,some of your players and immortals still play like it is enforced). In addition,no mapper(CMUD or any other) seem to work with your games and it is difficult to travel in a text world without automapper.
Your games are also one of the few(with BatMUD)where there is a good support for new players.By the way,I am still connecting to Achaea,but mostly for leveling.

the_logos · 01-18-2008, 12:30 PM

It's mainly a change in perspective. Around the time I made that quote I was, as a player, going through a heavy fixation on roleplaying, whereas I now view roleplaying as a game feature like any other. Highly desirable to some players, undesirable to others (like the original poster), and not inherently good nor bad. Of course, if a game population wants roleplaying it's something good to support (lest I get any complaints from players of our text MUDs claiming that "Matt doesn't care about roleplaying!")

I'm also impressed by Batmud's level of development over the years. Few MUDs can match the sustained development that Batmud has seen.
--matt

the_logos · 01-18-2008, 12:31 PM

Yes, Achaea is definitely roleplay encouraged. If you're flat-out not into any kind of roleplaying, it's probably not the game for you. (All the IRE text MUDs are currently working on including in-game mapping so that the mapping is client-agnostic btw.)

--matt

Aeran · 01-18-2008, 12:48 PM

It could be good to look into adding MXP support to IRE MUDs if mapping is a problem. There's special MXP tags to make it easier for MXP compatible MUD clients to build the map.

lovechiefs · 01-18-2008, 12:57 PM

I don't know what is MXP.
However what is also good about Bat is that their mapping is within their own client

Aeran · 01-18-2008, 01:04 PM

MXP is an extension protocol(Mud eXtension Protocol). It's similar to XML and let's the MUD send more colours than the standard ansi colours as well as change fonts, send output to frames, define gauges, show pictures and probably some more. It also has support to help improve recognition of rooms for MUD clients. There's documentation about MXP at if you want to read more about it.

01-18-2008, 12:44 AM	#1
lovechiefs Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 71	Great MUD: BatMUD Hello all After some search, I found a very good mud that is fun,complex,interesting and doesn't require roleplay. That MUD is BatMUD,which you can visit at What is BatMUD? Please visit for specific info on BatMUD BatMUD has many features including a friendly community and friendly staff, in game realm maps,automatic mapper for the outerworld, many different channels where people can chat. If you would like more info,please visit

01-18-2008, 02:31 AM	#2
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD Batmud is awesome. It's the premiere LPMUD. I was a wiz there two different times in the early 90s! I have fond memories of a North America Batmud meet in '93(?) at some big amusement park in Ohio. I was too hungover to really ride any rides but it's a great memory. -matt

01-18-2008, 06:33 AM	#3
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD It's nice to see how views can change over the years, and pretty encouraging from a development perspective. As luck would have it, I was researching into the whole "text muds are dying" fixation last night, prompted by an , and stumbled across an old quote of yours: *"Although its really a lame hack n' slash mud, the biggest I've ever seen is batmud, which has an imposed limit of 150 players at once on."* -- . You run a few fairly successful muds, so I'd certainly be interested to hear what you feel can turn a "lame" mud into an "awesome" one. Are there any specific features or changes that helped, or do you think it's mostly due to all-round polishing and refinement over the years? Are there any specific things you feel new muds could learn from BatMUD's example? Last edited by KaVir : 01-18-2008 at 09:37 AM.

01-18-2008, 09:32 AM	#4
lovechiefs Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 71	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD Nice Matt.Wasn't aware. Yea,BatMUD is a great game. Not only do they have all of those features,but in addition to that the game is not roleplay required/enforced. Players can talk in different channels about politics,football,hockey and so forth.All of this while playing. I have also rarely seen as much help for new players as I have seen in BatMUD. In addition, their client is awesome.Nice colors,nice maps.Basically a very good client I still like your games Matt,but I am just not into heavy roleplay(even though Achaea files say that roleplay is advised,some of your players and immortals still play like it is enforced). In addition,no mapper(CMUD or any other) seem to work with your games and it is difficult to travel in a text world without automapper. Your games are also one of the few(with BatMUD)where there is a good support for new players.By the way,I am still connecting to Achaea,but mostly for leveling.

01-18-2008, 12:30 PM	#5
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD It's mainly a change in perspective. Around the time I made that quote I was, as a player, going through a heavy fixation on roleplaying, whereas I now view roleplaying as a game feature like any other. Highly desirable to some players, undesirable to others (like the original poster), and not inherently good nor bad. Of course, if a game population wants roleplaying it's something good to support (lest I get any complaints from players of our text MUDs claiming that "Matt doesn't care about roleplaying!") I'm also impressed by Batmud's level of development over the years. Few MUDs can match the sustained development that Batmud has seen. --matt

01-18-2008, 12:31 PM	#6
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD Yes, Achaea is definitely roleplay encouraged. If you're flat-out not into any kind of roleplaying, it's probably not the game for you. (All the IRE text MUDs are currently working on including in-game mapping so that the mapping is client-agnostic btw.) --matt

01-18-2008, 12:48 PM	#7
Aeran Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 208	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD It could be good to look into adding MXP support to IRE MUDs if mapping is a problem. There's special MXP tags to make it easier for MXP compatible MUD clients to build the map.

01-18-2008, 12:57 PM	#8
lovechiefs Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 71	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD I don't know what is MXP. However what is also good about Bat is that their mapping is within their own client

01-18-2008, 01:04 PM	#9
Aeran Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 208	Re: Great MUD: BatMUD MXP is an extension protocol(Mud eXtension Protocol). It's similar to XML and let's the MUD send more colours than the standard ansi colours as well as change fonts, send output to frames, define gauges, show pictures and probably some more. It also has support to help improve recognition of rooms for MUD clients. There's documentation about MXP at if you want to read more about it.

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