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tntxploshin · 07-04-2008, 11:32 PM

Sadly, LOWMUD (Legends of Warcraft) is playerless. Greatest group PVP MUD ever. I'm looking for a replacement. I don't care if it's RP or not; it just have to have good group dynamics in PVP. If one good enough doesn't exist, I guess I'll have to speed up the development of mine. That or attract people back to LOWMUD (cindustries.com:8000).

Type of Group PVP I'm looking for:
- Coordination of roles/classes (healer, damage, tank, harassment, etc.)
- Interrupts (Stuns, Traps, Blinds, Trips, Bashes, etc.)
- Ranged attacks (Spells, Arrows, etc.)
- Idea of the "battle line" (Meat shields take damage for casters by protecting them - whether this is carried out inside the room, or by blocking/forcing people away from the casters' room)
- Good maps (Bottlenecks, rough terrain, etc. - Doesn't neccessarily have to be in ASCII viewable form)
- Mounts (Speed advantages)

LOWMUD has all that and more...

I'd rather not have to bother with too much leveling or equipping, but I'll put up with it for good PVP.

I have tried out NewWorlds, but either hadn't gotten far enough along (I was clanned, etc.), or wasn't on at the correct times, but never saw any group PVP.

I read about/built a new character in GodWars II, but from everything I saw it really seemed to be more of a 1v1 type game. Or a gangbang PVP deal, which I don't consider to be group PVP.

I could be very wrong about those two games, which is why I await your suggestions.

Newworlds · 07-05-2008, 02:06 AM

Hmm, interesting that you were in a clan but never saw group PVP. I will grant you NW is not God Wars II or based mostly on PVP PK which I think is what you are looking for. The PVP on NW is more involved with politics and PK is likely not going to be announced or done publically but more privately unless in arena events or religious events.

I'm not saying you couldn't find what you are looking for in NW but PK isn't a daily occurance there (normally). If it is strictly fighting (pking) other players, I'm not sure I have a suggestion.

Kereth · 07-05-2008, 03:02 AM

Well, here's the deal. RetroMUD is not a pk MUD, but we have PvP available, in the form of wars (everyone vs. everyone events) and capture the flag arenas (anything goes). The latter allows a great deal of team PvP and is optional for anybody who wants to participate and can be run at any time. Let's look at how it compares to your specifications:

-Coordination of roles/classes:
RetroMUD has 17 or so starting guilds, with over 50 or so secondary guilds and hundreds of tertiary guilds, combined with 60 plus races, all of them unique. This means every character in the match has unique tactical abilities, a unique stat set, and a diverse range of skills and spells that allow them to play a separate role in the arena combat.
-Interrupts
Most melee classes learn how to stun with normal melee attacks, and plenty of spells have interrupting side effects, such as holds, paralysis, blinds, knockdowns, poison, stat reduction, hallucinations and so forth. Additionally, a number of attack skills, particularly those found in the Hand guild, can give additional effects, such as scars, bleeding, etc, on top of those effects listed above.
-Ranged attacks/idea of a "battle line"
During a party, which can be formed during ctf as in normal play, players tend to take one of two roles, either front or mid row, meaning that characters with more defense and hp stand in front and take the brunt of attacks while others hang out behind them, launching whatever attacks they please at range, whether spells, polearms, whips, bows, crossbows, thundersticks, thrown weapons, slings, specialized attack skills, etc.
-Good maps
There are currently three basic arenas in game, each on a different world, with others planned and coming soon.
Wysoom Arena:
A raised, triangular path over water. Players without flight (whether from racial abilities, equipment, or spells) follow the paths between various points or swim through the water below, which those who can fly move freely through the air above. At the end of each point in the triangle is a base (flag base, red base, blue base). Each base is equipped with a spy glass to check on who is hiding at the other bases, as well as a trebuchet, to launched periodic volleys of burning rocks at the people at the other bases. Players may take advantage of every ability at their disposal, whether stealth, teleportation, summonable walls, summonable creatures, or whatever else, even down to the old fashioned "big spells to blow you up" or "arr and head smacking" strategies.
Raji Arena:
Flight is mandatory here (although fortunately easy to get) as Raji is the air planet. Floating islands in a three dimensional arena bare the different bases, as well as boulders which can be kicked around and even knocked at other players. Shrines of Gaia provide temporary elemental protection to those who choose to pray at them, and there is even a shrine that grants a powerful, 2-handed sword to whomever requests it, although the sword is dispelled every time the player is forced to respawn, and only a limited number appear each match. Constant air-to-air combat makes for a whole new dimension of gameplay in an arena designed for particularly large groups.
Crypt Arena:
The planet of earth's arena is completely underground. Narrow tunnels, lava pools, sulfuric gas clouds and sudden dropoffs are just the beginning of the trouble found here. There are pickaxes available, in limited supply, that allow players to sabotage tunnels to collapse on people passing through, and shrines give blessings to those who find and pray at them during matches, such as the shrine of eros, which grants awesome temporary power and protection at the cost of permanently changing the character's gender, or the shrine of mars, which hands out grenades!
-Mounts
I'm going to be frank with you on this one. We have mounts, yes, but nobody usually bothers using them during capture the flag matches. There isn't a huge bonus from speed, just energy used to travel, and those wanting to get from point a to b faster will generally use teleportation, flight, or just run fast on their own.

Now, leveling. Skill in the capture the flag arenas counts for a lot. Player skill, that is, but it only goes so far, so anybody wishing to get that extra edge from just plain having a more powerful character will need to level up. A team of level 20 characters can take out a level 100 character in a heartbeat, but they won't be able to do much against a full team of level 100 characters. Aside from fighting a little dirty, of course, but that's expected ^^ Still, the pvp experience is awesome and worth the leveling, if that's what you're into.

Hope you see something you like, at any rate!
-Kereth

tntxploshin · 07-05-2008, 12:02 PM

Thanks for the replies!

NewWorlds: I hadn't really gotten that far along, and I also was not on at the peak times, so I figured things were going on that I didn't know about (hence my question). Probably worth continuing to play, as the PVP sounds interesting (and I do like RP as well).

Kereth: I will definitely come check out RetroMUD - sounds great. Like I said, I'm willing to put up with a little leveling in order to have good PVP.

Please continue the suggestions and/or come check out LOWMUD.

Lurker94 · 07-06-2008, 01:06 AM

Have you checked out Shattered Kingdoms? I haven't played there recently since PvP is not my focus these days. It is a RP enforced mud where PvP is an important part of the game, at least it was when I last checked in on it a couple of years ago. I believe it has all the criteria requested, though I'm not certain what was meant by "meat shield". I was guessing you meant some sort of group formation where melee classes could stand in the front ranks and casters behind them? If so, Shattered Kingdoms, allows a group to be in a 3 row formation and various weapons have different "reach" capabilities. Some of the ranged attacks can penetrate further into a formation too.

There is some solo PvP as well and solo as well as group leveling to advance.

The mud's web page is

Good luck in your search!

Sintor · 07-18-2008, 05:21 PM

Seems LoW has gone down for good, and no team pvp replacements have cropped up. Has anyone found one yet?

I did try retro, but it just seemed like a hassle with the non-standard commands, clunky movement, etc. The beauty of LoW was that levelling was a blip on the radar and the innovation came through PvP group comps and ability to use the given skillsets in a team setting.

Newworlds · 07-19-2008, 02:52 AM

Not sure if you are specifically looking for Group PK PVP or just Group Player driven plots adventure and pk. NW has some of all of the secondary. It is not a PK mud but does have pk. Might want to check it out. Bear in mind it is roleplay enforced and you would have to get involved somewhat to get into larger groups beyond caravan or war like situations.

Might be your thing might not. You decide.

tntxploshin · 07-28-2008, 11:12 AM

Logged in to LoWMUD the other day and saw Necrolyte (the Administrator) logged in...May be making a comeback? Keep your fingers crossed.

Currently trying out Shattered Kingdoms, but haven't really had too much time to put in. I'll check back in with more information when I have time.

Thanks for checking out RetroMUD, Sintor.

07-04-2008, 11:32 PM	#1
tntxploshin New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4	Looking for MUD: Group PVP Sadly, LOWMUD (Legends of Warcraft) is playerless. Greatest group PVP MUD ever. I'm looking for a replacement. I don't care if it's RP or not; it just have to have good group dynamics in PVP. If one good enough doesn't exist, I guess I'll have to speed up the development of mine. That or attract people back to LOWMUD (cindustries.com:8000). Type of Group PVP I'm looking for: - Coordination of roles/classes (healer, damage, tank, harassment, etc.) - Interrupts (Stuns, Traps, Blinds, Trips, Bashes, etc.) - Ranged attacks (Spells, Arrows, etc.) - Idea of the "battle line" (Meat shields take damage for casters by protecting them - whether this is carried out inside the room, or by blocking/forcing people away from the casters' room) - Good maps (Bottlenecks, rough terrain, etc. - Doesn't neccessarily have to be in ASCII viewable form) - Mounts (Speed advantages) LOWMUD has all that and more... I'd rather not have to bother with too much leveling or equipping, but I'll put up with it for good PVP. I have tried out NewWorlds, but either hadn't gotten far enough along (I was clanned, etc.), or wasn't on at the correct times, but never saw any group PVP. I read about/built a new character in GodWars II, but from everything I saw it really seemed to be more of a 1v1 type game. Or a gangbang PVP deal, which I don't consider to be group PVP. I could be very wrong about those two games, which is why I await your suggestions.

07-05-2008, 02:06 AM	#2
Newworlds Legend Join Date: Aug 2007 Name: NewWorlds Home MUD: New Worlds Posts: 1,425	Re: Looking for MUD: Group PVP Hmm, interesting that you were in a clan but never saw group PVP. I will grant you NW is not God Wars II or based mostly on PVP PK which I think is what you are looking for. The PVP on NW is more involved with politics and PK is likely not going to be announced or done publically but more privately unless in arena events or religious events. I'm not saying you couldn't find what you are looking for in NW but PK isn't a daily occurance there (normally). If it is strictly fighting (pking) other players, I'm not sure I have a suggestion.

07-05-2008, 03:02 AM	#3
Kereth Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Home MUD: www.retromud.org Posts: 61	Re: Looking for MUD: Group PVP Well, here's the deal. RetroMUD is not a pk MUD, but we have PvP available, in the form of wars (everyone vs. everyone events) and capture the flag arenas (anything goes). The latter allows a great deal of team PvP and is optional for anybody who wants to participate and can be run at any time. Let's look at how it compares to your specifications: -Coordination of roles/classes: RetroMUD has 17 or so starting guilds, with over 50 or so secondary guilds and hundreds of tertiary guilds, combined with 60 plus races, all of them unique. This means every character in the match has unique tactical abilities, a unique stat set, and a diverse range of skills and spells that allow them to play a separate role in the arena combat. -Interrupts Most melee classes learn how to stun with normal melee attacks, and plenty of spells have interrupting side effects, such as holds, paralysis, blinds, knockdowns, poison, stat reduction, hallucinations and so forth. Additionally, a number of attack skills, particularly those found in the Hand guild, can give additional effects, such as scars, bleeding, etc, on top of those effects listed above. -Ranged attacks/idea of a "battle line" During a party, which can be formed during ctf as in normal play, players tend to take one of two roles, either front or mid row, meaning that characters with more defense and hp stand in front and take the brunt of attacks while others hang out behind them, launching whatever attacks they please at range, whether spells, polearms, whips, bows, crossbows, thundersticks, thrown weapons, slings, specialized attack skills, etc. -Good maps There are currently three basic arenas in game, each on a different world, with others planned and coming soon. Wysoom Arena: A raised, triangular path over water. Players without flight (whether from racial abilities, equipment, or spells) follow the paths between various points or swim through the water below, which those who can fly move freely through the air above. At the end of each point in the triangle is a base (flag base, red base, blue base). Each base is equipped with a spy glass to check on who is hiding at the other bases, as well as a trebuchet, to launched periodic volleys of burning rocks at the people at the other bases. Players may take advantage of every ability at their disposal, whether stealth, teleportation, summonable walls, summonable creatures, or whatever else, even down to the old fashioned "big spells to blow you up" or "arr and head smacking" strategies. Raji Arena: Flight is mandatory here (although fortunately easy to get) as Raji is the air planet. Floating islands in a three dimensional arena bare the different bases, as well as boulders which can be kicked around and even knocked at other players. Shrines of Gaia provide temporary elemental protection to those who choose to pray at them, and there is even a shrine that grants a powerful, 2-handed sword to whomever requests it, although the sword is dispelled every time the player is forced to respawn, and only a limited number appear each match. Constant air-to-air combat makes for a whole new dimension of gameplay in an arena designed for particularly large groups. Crypt Arena: The planet of earth's arena is completely underground. Narrow tunnels, lava pools, sulfuric gas clouds and sudden dropoffs are just the beginning of the trouble found here. There are pickaxes available, in limited supply, that allow players to sabotage tunnels to collapse on people passing through, and shrines give blessings to those who find and pray at them during matches, such as the shrine of eros, which grants awesome temporary power and protection at the cost of permanently changing the character's gender, or the shrine of mars, which hands out grenades! -Mounts I'm going to be frank with you on this one. We have mounts, yes, but nobody usually bothers using them during capture the flag matches. There isn't a huge bonus from speed, just energy used to travel, and those wanting to get from point a to b faster will generally use teleportation, flight, or just run fast on their own. Now, leveling. Skill in the capture the flag arenas counts for a lot. Player skill, that is, but it only goes so far, so anybody wishing to get that extra edge from just plain having a more powerful character will need to level up. A team of level 20 characters can take out a level 100 character in a heartbeat, but they won't be able to do much against a full team of level 100 characters. Aside from fighting a little dirty, of course, but that's expected ^^ Still, the pvp experience is awesome and worth the leveling, if that's what you're into. Hope you see something you like, at any rate! -Kereth

07-05-2008, 12:02 PM	#4
tntxploshin New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4	Re: Looking for MUD: Group PVP Thanks for the replies! NewWorlds: I hadn't really gotten that far along, and I also was not on at the peak times, so I figured things were going on that I didn't know about (hence my question). Probably worth continuing to play, as the PVP sounds interesting (and I do like RP as well). Kereth: I will definitely come check out RetroMUD - sounds great. Like I said, I'm willing to put up with a little leveling in order to have good PVP. Please continue the suggestions and/or come check out LOWMUD.

07-06-2008, 01:06 AM	#5
Lurker94 New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 18	Re: Looking for MUD: Group PVP Have you checked out Shattered Kingdoms? I haven't played there recently since PvP is not my focus these days. It is a RP enforced mud where PvP is an important part of the game, at least it was when I last checked in on it a couple of years ago. I believe it has all the criteria requested, though I'm not certain what was meant by "meat shield". I was guessing you meant some sort of group formation where melee classes could stand in the front ranks and casters behind them? If so, Shattered Kingdoms, allows a group to be in a 3 row formation and various weapons have different "reach" capabilities. Some of the ranged attacks can penetrate further into a formation too. There is some solo PvP as well and solo as well as group leveling to advance. The mud's web page is Good luck in your search!

07-18-2008, 05:21 PM	#6
Sintor New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2	Re: Looking for MUD: Group PVP Seems LoW has gone down for good, and no team pvp replacements have cropped up. Has anyone found one yet? I did try retro, but it just seemed like a hassle with the non-standard commands, clunky movement, etc. The beauty of LoW was that levelling was a blip on the radar and the innovation came through PvP group comps and ability to use the given skillsets in a team setting.

07-19-2008, 02:52 AM	#7
Newworlds Legend Join Date: Aug 2007 Name: NewWorlds Home MUD: New Worlds Posts: 1,425	Re: Looking for MUD: Group PVP Not sure if you are specifically looking for Group PK PVP or just Group Player driven plots adventure and pk. NW has some of all of the secondary. It is not a PK mud but does have pk. Might want to check it out. Bear in mind it is roleplay enforced and you would have to get involved somewhat to get into larger groups beyond caravan or war like situations. Might be your thing might not. You decide.

07-28-2008, 11:12 AM	#8
tntxploshin New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4	Re: Looking for MUD: Group PVP Logged in to LoWMUD the other day and saw Necrolyte (the Administrator) logged in...May be making a comeback? Keep your fingers crossed. Currently trying out Shattered Kingdoms, but haven't really had too much time to put in. I'll check back in with more information when I have time. Thanks for checking out RetroMUD, Sintor.

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