Advertising for Players

Enignon · 02-28-2003, 07:31 AM

Have you been loyal to your RPG for what seems like an eternity?
At Medievia, we have players who have been loyal to us for over ten years.
The reason is that Medievia is never remade; instead, it's upgraded every
day. It has become the largest game in the world in size and in features.

We can do this because Medievia is a text RPG game. Everything we program is
all about new features and functionality instead of wasting time with the
latest graphics and sound. As an RPG player, you know what's important for
maximum fun in a game. Come check us out.

We know you're loyal. We know you shy away from trying new games. We have
over twenty-six thousand players who felt the same way when Medievia was
recommended to them. The difference is Medievia is not just a game, but an
international group of friends and family who just can't seem to part ways.
No other RPG game connects people online like Medievia does. We have five
hundred people playing together right now.

If you think your latest RPG is fun, we dare you to enter Medievia. It will
change your RPG life forever! Come check it out at

Molly · 02-28-2003, 09:34 AM

You forgot to mention that Medievia ripped off its code and is currently making a lot of money from the illegal abuse of the Diku licence.

You also forgot to mention that it is not listed on this site for that very reason.

In view of those facts, I consider advertising for it here bad taste, to say the least.

Wik · 02-28-2003, 10:17 AM

Wow. You have some huge balls coming here.

Enzo · 02-28-2003, 08:22 PM

Eternal · 02-28-2003, 09:55 PM

Wow... the infamous Medievia...

Go there at your own risk, play at the risk of your reputation within the MUDding community at large. That's all I'll say.

Enignon · 03-22-2003, 12:54 PM

*bump*

Falconer · 03-22-2003, 04:30 PM

Right from the horse's mouth, ladies and gentlemen: Medievia was never 'remade' from DIKU code, as Vryce originally claimed.

Wrong.

I've sent an email to Synozeer recommending that you be banned from these forums.

the_logos · 03-22-2003, 04:44 PM

Is that conjecture or have you proof of that? (And "everybody knows they did it" is not a valid indictment.) I don't have an opinion one way or another, as I've not seen the code or ever logged in, but if they have been profiting illegally from stolen IP, it would seem that either nobody actually has any proof or the license holders don't consider it worthwhile to sue. That's really no different from the numerous muds on here that are blatantly ripping off other people's licenses (whether they make money off it is irrelevant.). Dragonball Z, for instance.

Now, I know that if I was the DIKU license holder and I had evidence that someone was making money off the work I had generously released for free, I'd have a lawyer on them asap. If it's as clear-cut a violation as you say, it'd be easy to shut them down and suck some money out of them at the same time.

I'm not defending Medievia, as I don't know anything about them, but I, at least, would be interested to see proof. I'd consider helping fund a lawsuit against them if it is a clear-cut case. I detest people who steal other people's intellectual property.

--matt

Yui Unifex · 03-22-2003, 04:58 PM

A great deal of evidence is here: . It's pretty damning.

Valg · 03-22-2003, 05:03 PM

These seem to be several of the better-documented accusations:

KaVir · 03-22-2003, 07:27 PM

Quite a few people (myself included) have looked through the source code after it was put up on a website for download, and done various comparisons. We're talking files which (when compared with diff) have as little as 14% original code (the rest being EXACTLY the same as Merc 1.0). There are even comments left in from some of the original Merc team.

We've also got hold a copy of the faxed statement, signed by the owner of Medievia under penalty of perjury, in which he identifies the code as being that of Medievia, and demands that it be removed from the website.

There's also numerous quotes from other people who have been through the code, including ex-Medievia staff members, and the original owner of the mud.

the_logos · 03-23-2003, 03:25 PM

Yeah, looking through the sites people listed in previous posts, there does seem to be a lot of pretty clear-cut evidence that they're violating the license. So why haven't the DIKU license-holders sued them? Why not use the DMCA to harrass them? As at least one of those sites correctly pointed out, if they started with DIKU and slowly re-wrote it, it's still a derivative work under US copyright law. He's flat-out admitted that he did this.

--matt

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02-28-2003, 07:31 AM	#1
Enignon New Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2	Have you been loyal to your RPG for what seems like an eternity? At Medievia, we have players who have been loyal to us for over ten years. The reason is that Medievia is never remade; instead, it's upgraded every day. It has become the largest game in the world in size and in features. We can do this because Medievia is a text RPG game. Everything we program is all about new features and functionality instead of wasting time with the latest graphics and sound. As an RPG player, you know what's important for maximum fun in a game. Come check us out. We know you're loyal. We know you shy away from trying new games. We have over twenty-six thousand players who felt the same way when Medievia was recommended to them. The difference is Medievia is not just a game, but an international group of friends and family who just can't seem to part ways. No other RPG game connects people online like Medievia does. We have five hundred people playing together right now. If you think your latest RPG is fun, we dare you to enter Medievia. It will change your RPG life forever! Come check it out at

02-28-2003, 09:34 AM	#2
Molly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Home MUD: 4 Dimensions Posts: 574	You forgot to mention that Medievia ripped off its code and is currently making a lot of money from the illegal abuse of the Diku licence. You also forgot to mention that it is not listed on this site for that very reason. In view of those facts, I consider advertising for it here bad taste, to say the least.

02-28-2003, 10:17 AM	#3
Wik Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: OtherSpace Posts: 140	Wow. You have some huge balls coming here.

02-28-2003, 08:22 PM	#4
Enzo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 342

02-28-2003, 09:55 PM	#5
Eternal New Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sun Valley, ID Posts: 28	Wow... the infamous Medievia... Go there at your own risk, play at the risk of your reputation within the MUDding community at large. That's all I'll say.

03-22-2003, 12:54 PM	#6
Enignon New Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2	bump

03-22-2003, 04:30 PM	#7
Falconer Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 35	Right from the horse's mouth, ladies and gentlemen: Medievia was never 'remade' from DIKU code, as Vryce originally claimed. Wrong. I've sent an email to Synozeer recommending that you be banned from these forums.

03-22-2003, 04:44 PM	#8
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Is that conjecture or have you proof of that? (And "everybody knows they did it" is not a valid indictment.) I don't have an opinion one way or another, as I've not seen the code or ever logged in, but if they have been profiting illegally from stolen IP, it would seem that either nobody actually has any proof or the license holders don't consider it worthwhile to sue. That's really no different from the numerous muds on here that are blatantly ripping off other people's licenses (whether they make money off it is irrelevant.). Dragonball Z, for instance. Now, I know that if I was the DIKU license holder and I had evidence that someone was making money off the work I had generously released for free, I'd have a lawyer on them asap. If it's as clear-cut a violation as you say, it'd be easy to shut them down and suck some money out of them at the same time. I'm not defending Medievia, as I don't know anything about them, but I, at least, would be interested to see proof. I'd consider helping fund a lawsuit against them if it is a clear-cut case. I detest people who steal other people's intellectual property. --matt

03-22-2003, 04:58 PM	#9
Yui Unifex Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 323	A great deal of evidence is here: . It's pretty damning.

03-22-2003, 05:03 PM	#10
Valg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 643	These seem to be several of the better-documented accusations:

03-22-2003, 07:27 PM	#11
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	Quite a few people (myself included) have looked through the source code after it was put up on a website for download, and done various comparisons. We're talking files which (when compared with diff) have as little as 14% original code (the rest being EXACTLY the same as Merc 1.0). There are even comments left in from some of the original Merc team. We've also got hold a copy of the faxed statement, signed by the owner of Medievia under penalty of perjury, in which he identifies the code as being that of Medievia, and demands that it be removed from the website. There's also numerous quotes from other people who have been through the code, including ex-Medievia staff members, and the original owner of the mud.

03-23-2003, 03:25 PM	#12
the_logos Legend Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,305	Yeah, looking through the sites people listed in previous posts, there does seem to be a lot of pretty clear-cut evidence that they're violating the license. So why haven't the DIKU license-holders sued them? Why not use the DMCA to harrass them? As at least one of those sites correctly pointed out, if they started with DIKU and slowly re-wrote it, it's still a derivative work under US copyright law. He's flat-out admitted that he did this. --matt