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Medievia has been around for years and is well known, but there's always players that haven't realized just how great this MUD is. I'm not a god on Medievia, I'm not part of the staff in any way - I'm just a player, and I've been playing for a few years now, and while I do pick up the occasional PC game (Half-Life 2, Dungeon Siege 2 soon!
![]() I don't think anyone is doing him or her self any favors by testing out other MUDs, when Medievia has everything you could want in a great gaming environment. With that said, there are some things about Medievia that are changing rapidly - and it's only made the game more fun! If you've played in the past, you know all about trading. Trading is NOT what it used to be, it is truly an adventure now EVERY time. There is some amazing code going on with a DM that monitors your trade runs and keeps you on your toes, throwing mob factions at you to mess around with. Clan ships are coming very soon and have been in the testing phase for the past few weeks and everyone loves them, so if player killing is your thing, these will surely spark your interests. I'd encourage you to drop by - whether you've played it in the past, play another MUD, or are just getting into MUDs. You can find everything you need to know on www.medievia.com. Don't pass it up! |
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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Oh and as a sidenote. You might want to look up what it means to Cite Sources.
Take Armageddon for example, they have #### near nothing to do with Dune anymore, but ####! I'll be damned if I never see them say they got their grand plan from Dune. |
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Not a particularly apt or even insightful analogy, Delstro.
In order for it to apply here they'd need to steal the entire setting, perhaps change a couple letters in a couple names, and then pass it off as their new, all-original gameworld. |
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Medievia didn't just borrow ideas from somebody else. They used the Diku code, which is legal. Then they violated the agreement that all Diku users must make that says that the mud cannot be pay for play or pay for perks. So they aren't stealing ideas, they're coppying code that is available to everybody as long as they don't use it to make money. And then they are using that code to make money illegally.
So, anybody that plays Medievia is helping to support criminals. Seriously, if you really want to fork out money to play a Mud, why not fork out money to play a Mud that spends such money to create it's own code rather than using code that is less developed from Diku than many free to play muds? |
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Or take your money, burn it, and play one of the other MUDs out there that are superior to every pay-to-play.
Either way, Medievia sucks. Take care, Jason |
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It doesn't say that. What it does say is open to interpretation, but it certainly doesn't come out and say what you allege it says. Have you even read it? --matt |
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There's a link to the license at this site: http://slithytoves.sytes.net/~kurt/Medievia.html
Of course there's other info at that site that I found when I entered "Medievia code theft" in Google. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised the_logos is one of the few pro-Medievia voices. Why else would he have his lawyers looking for loopholes in licenses?? This from an owner who doesn't let any mud websites post reviews of his games, but has someone post a promotion thread every couple of weeks...why?...MONEY! |
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Medievia is not pay-to-play. It also did not steal code. It started out as a Diku MUD years and years ago, and that code has since been changed, rewritten, redone, deleted - however you'd like to look at it, it's not being used anymore.
Players send in donations out of their own free will, because Medievia is a great game and a great environment to be in. People are clearly envious of it and only put it down because they wish their own MUDs were in any way superior. Medievia will always be the better MUD, and it's terrible really that some people are bent on spreading rumors about it's authenticity, not to mention the owner's morals, as if they would ever steal something. If there was any credit to be given, it would be given, but there is not. |
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Profit is a specific term that is not the same thing as revenue. It's not difficult to simply not generate a profit. It used to be a joke in the movie business that no movie in history ever made a profit because it was practically standard practice for studios to ensure their movies didn't make a profit (massive salaries, huge contract fees, whatever) in order to avoid paying royalties to people who did a deal based on profit rather than revenue. That rarely happens these days, because profit is very easy to manipulate. But actually, in Medievia's case, I suspect they may not even need to do any manipulation. I don't know how much they make, but I'm in a position to make an educated guess, and it's quite possible that after the owners pay themselves reasonable salaries commensurate with their extensive professional experience, pay for servers, advertising, etc, there may be no profit left. Some will argue that profit isn't what the license holders meant, but no one disputes that profit is what the license says. There's really no point in getting into an argument about it again either as it's all been said before. ![]() --matt |
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![]() At no point has it been stated that the code has been written from scratch! At that point it is no longer DIKU. |
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I'm pretty sure people are just jealous. They don't want to see Medievia succeed, because they are holding a grudge against it, under the assumption that someone's bad code was stolen and assuming that code is still being used.
Either let it go and move on, or do something about it and try to prove everyone wrong. Because clearly if someone is violating some law, you could do something about it. It's actually not the best equipment in the game. The best equipment in the game is whatever gods choose to put into the game. For some people, the best items are from quests, which they purchase with quest points. For some the best items are in hero battles, because that's all they do. For some, the best items are from sea slugs (a ring of twisted slug hide Lev(0) Loc(fing) noegg fragile dr(5) hps(40) SKL/SPL: dodge (success +10%) Cond(pristine - 9 Days).) Object: the Mystical Talisman of Medievia [talisman medievia mystical hp100] Item Type: ARMOR Effects: GLOW DONATION Equipable Location(s): NECK Weight: 0 Value: 10000 Level Restriction: 0 This object has been blessed by the Gods and seems indestructible. Days Left: Infinity AC-apply of 20 Affects: +100 to HIT_POINTS +7 to DAMROLL Pretty good right? Here's how you can get one: -donate $50 -write for the MUDSlinger -pay someone else in-game currency (gold) to donate for you -become a god and write zones, autoquests, etc. There are several players who have hundreds of dollars worth of this donation equipment, and they haven't sent in a penny. Honestly, who's the side here starting some kind of war? I've just said why I think Medievia is a great game, and suddenly a number of people think it's their duty in life to denounce it. |
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Jealous? Nothing would make me more happy than to actually see more mudders throughout the community. But when one of the larger muds is run by deception and credit is not given to those who deserve it .. no, I'm not jealous. More like frustrated,angry and extremely disappointed. And as a sidenote: I played Medievia for a while and it wasn't a game for me - I didn't like the character interaction nor the game itself. Those are the reasons why I didn't like it back then, and this was before I heard of this incident. |
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If I stole something you'd spent years developing, ripped out the credits, and claimed it as my own, wouldn't you want other people to know about it? |
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