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Old 01-16-2004, 08:38 PM   #21
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Being the only mud in the current top 5 that accepts reviews, I am probably going to remove that option for Aardwolf too. With few exceptions, of the 30+ reviews that we have almost every one of them is:

1. An unprompted rant from an Aardwolf player on how great the mud is. I cringe just as much as anyone else when I see a 'This mud is the best! Play it!' review.

2. An unprompted flame for Aardwolf not being something it has never claimed to be - any kind of roleplaying environment. If that offends you then look at it another way, we're doing you a service by offering a home to those people you probably don't want on your RP mud anyway.

This week, we even have a couple of reviews in there for another mud that won't accept reviews - the poster clicked on the first link they could find. In summary, after trying it out for 3 months - based on the content so far I don't feel that allowing reviews offers any value to Aardwolf or any value to the readers of this site looking for an objective opinion on what the MUD is about.
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Old 01-16-2004, 11:06 PM   #22
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Exactly. The reviews anymore just aren't worth anything. If there was an honest review site with folks that actually sat down on a MUD and tried it out for the sole purpose of an honest review, it'd be different. That just isn't the case here, in my opinion.
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Old 01-17-2004, 03:47 AM   #23
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I dodged it by taking it head on and giving two example explanations? You even responded to them both so I know you didn't miss them. How can you accuse me of dodging the issue when I addressed it directly?


You even agree with one of my explanations for why some muds get bashed more than others, and yet you have the gall to accuse me of dodging the issue? That's ridiculous. I realize you've made it one of your life goals to contradict ANYTHING I post on any forum anywhere, but you should pick your battles better and avoid contradicting yourself so obviously.


Yes, that is exactly what I am asserting.

Are you so naive that you do not think this happens? Are you really this clueless?

This is a phenomenon that is not unique to Mudding. Microsoft does everything it can to "give a bad review" to linux: even in the area of security! They make up outright lies because nobody has the money to challenge them in the courts. They do this because they are jealous and fearful of what Linux represents to them: a threat.

It is a common business practice because it is common human nature. When people are jealous of something or someone, especially when that thing or person excels at something THEY wish they could do, a very common reaction is to attack or impugn the target of their jealousy.

If you are incapable of understanding this, then you are beyond hope.

Before anyone gets carried away, I am not saying this is the ONLY reason someone might write a bogus, bash review. It is ONE of many reasons why open reviews are worthless.


Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. However, I did not make it an issue of "my mud" as you seemed to do out of nowhere. I have actually SEEN this exact thing happen when I was a player on both of two rival online RPGs: Admins and players of both games raged war on each other via website reviews.

Wake up. It happens every single day in every single walk of life.


Then I offer two more attempts to allay your suspicions:

1) Obviously Synozeer *knew* there were very good reasons that a mud admin would not want to accept reviews, or he wouldn't have made it an option.

2) Read the "Aardwolf" post at the top of this page. While he makes almost the identical point I already made, perhaps you'll manage a split second of objectivity and let it sink in since the message comes from someone other than me.

Perhaps someday you'll understand.

Until then, you will apparently be content with sniping at others because they don't do things "your way."
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Old 01-17-2004, 06:05 PM   #24
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It's simple really.
Games have a right to accept/deny reviews if they wish.
If you really want to say something about somewhere THAT bad, post a thread -- and you'll see, you'll get lots of responses.

The fact is, most people who are really really really itching to write a review about a place (even if they have GOOD points to make) are really really really itching to write a review because they have a bone to pick. I started playing the MUD I am playing now because of a bad review. I went to check out things for myself. I never left. Gosh, I guess it's a matter of personal preference and experience. Go figure.

While I am not adverse to reviews, they are not necessary. Who ever said you could trust a reviewer? Regardless of reviews, people log on and find out for themselves. A few facts, may they be good or bad, about a Mud will do so little to actually sway the opinion of a person who has not had first hand experience, it's laughable.
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Old 01-17-2004, 11:05 PM   #25
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All your muds blow goats.
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Old 01-17-2004, 11:06 PM   #26
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Old 01-18-2004, 05:37 AM   #27
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Old 01-18-2004, 08:32 AM   #28
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Hrm... hasn't this stirred a few people up? In my humble opinion, I also think player reviews are generally a waste of time. The only reviews that MIGHT be worthwhile are those done by a dedicated review team from TMS that hopefully can be objective. (I think Threshold might have mentioned this earlier) Even then, given the time it takes to get a real feel for a MUD sometimes, I doubt the reviewers would be able to dedicate the amount of time required to do an in-depth review of everything in a MUD. Therefore, why bother with a review? Play the MUD and make your own decision.
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Old 01-18-2004, 04:48 PM   #29
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While I may not have any real reviews to speak of for my mud, this statement here fits rather appropriately with another gigantic spat I've been involved with in another area. How true can one get? The above statement is pretty much a summary of the entire reason I'm always having to fend the guy off. It's gotten so bad that any little thing I do brings him out of his hole to launch another wave of character assassinations against me.

So I can sympathize with why admins may not want to deal with this. Why should anyone have to put up with getting buried under 50 troll reviews just so the one or 2 people who have something nice to say can say it in a review. Just post it in the forums like the trolls do when they can't review it.
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Old 01-19-2004, 02:59 PM   #30
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I do enjoy reading reviews sometimes, and have in the past tried out muds on the basis of reviews. Obviously biased reviews often give more information about what actually playing the game is like than the website or info sheet, even if it is a flame. For example, a review that reads something like, "The imms forced me to change my char's name and wouldn't let me roleplay it the way I wanted," is a negative comment from the reviewer, but a player who enjoys RP-mandatory would see it in a positive light. You can even read reviews with no real content just to estimate the maturity level of the players.
I expect that there are other players like me who read reviews and go to the muds accordingly, so I don't think you could say that there is zero benefit to allowing reviews.
Owners decide to allow or not allow reviews based on the net benefit. If they don't allow reviews, then it makes me surmise that they don't expect enough well-written balanced reviews to counteract the poorly-written or obviously biased reviews, and that would indicate a generally immature playerbase. But that's just my opinion.
The main problem with the lack of balanced reviews is that if a player has spent enough time on a mud to be able to review it in depth, he must really like the game. I've written one review for the mud I play regularly, and tried to make it balanced, and have thought about reviewing muds I tried and only played for a day or a week, but then didn't think it would be fair to review based only on a newbie's perspective. Nobody is going to spend enough time playing a game that they don't really enjoy to write a fair review of it unless they are getting paid to do so.
But I still like the reviews and think they should stay.
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Old 01-20-2004, 02:34 AM   #31
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:57 PM   #32
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Having read all of say 4 reviews in my life, but having heard a great deal concerning them...

Why not put in a rating system? Counter-attack psychology aside in which an entire MUD's pbase gangs up on a puny little review and rates it down to 0, this could be a useful way for people to see a review, question its validity, check it out, and then rate it based on what they find. (It's also a way admins can "fight back" against soljax/clones without boring the rest of us with yet another "He's a #### liar" thread.)

my 2 cents.

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Old 01-22-2004, 01:36 PM   #33
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There was another site that used to do that. I remember, because Medthievia used to get all their players and staff to rate any negative comments about their stolen work as '0'.
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Old 01-22-2004, 04:16 PM   #34
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I'm sorry if someone else brought this up and I didn't see it..

WarHound, I don't understand your anger about playing 9 hours before the Imms notified you that your name was unappropriate. On Necromium, we usually try to avoid hassling new players about name issues (unless they are blatantly offensive or other important yet rarer situations) until they have settled in for a while. It saves us the trouble of changing the name of every player even if they are going to log out five minutes later and never come back and since the new player is already having to deal with getting used to the game, it saves them some trouble.
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