Tavern of the Blue Hand

Seth · 05-12-2002, 04:00 PM

Ah yes, the wonders of discussion forums. It's like politics, they can't agree even on the single most boring thing, even here. It's like there is this constant war against anything that isn't related to MUDs. First it was the spam and now it's the talk that's not related to spam which would lead me straight to hell, if I were to believe the lot of you people.

Now seriously, I think general unrelated talk should be allowed. Why? Simple, because it's thanks to that this is a community, not a load of people who just post allot and about 300 people who lurk and leech information with ever saying something themselves. (those people talk the loudest in here, odd isn't it?)

That, and maybe, MAYBE there are people here who are here for that community who you're all so enthusiastically willing to kill? I am, for one. I couldn't care less about MUDs. I played one and I liked it because of the social aspect, but the MUD itself was boring like *BEEP*. And I honestly think I'm not the only one here who just likes being here to talk to people, sometimes in a silly way and other times not.

Anyways, I fully encourage a seperation from the front-end Recent Forum Discussion thingy. If people want to read any interesting threads in here, they shouldn't be such a lazy bum and click the two damned links that lead to the Tavern. Don't ruin the fun for others because you're too lazy to click a few links.

Shao_Long · 05-12-2002, 04:07 PM

listen,folk ! maybe you really should pass a petition to Synozeer asking to kill the comunity,leaving just info ??

hell,people ! Not everyone's here just for 'information'.People mean more.

KaVir · 05-12-2002, 04:51 PM

That statement makes absolutely no sense. How can someone lurk without saying anything, yet talk the loudest?

However you are wrong about the community aspect. The community here has built up around people who like to discuss muds. It's only recently that other people have decided to come here and talk about socks and other completely unrelated things. And if you "couldn't care less about MUDs" then what on earth are you doing on Top Mud Sites?

Once again I reiterate, Top Mud Sites is a forum for discussing muds. If I want to learn about your socks, I'll find a sock discussion forum (and if I WASN'T interested in socks, I wouldn't log on there, tell everyone that I wasn't interested in socks, then proceed to start discussing muds).

Really, you people disgust me. Learn a few manners.

Valg · 05-12-2002, 05:37 PM

Given that the majority of non-MUD posts on these forums are generated by a small group of people, one solution is to ban that small group of people by IP, given that they ignore all suggestions otherwise.

I agree that it's good to have a forum for miscellany, so long as the miscellany is at least peripherally related to MUDs. There are plenty of good threads on the Tavern, but they're difficult to find, and the spam has greatly hindered my desire to use this site.

Shao_Long · 05-12-2002, 06:01 PM

well,point me to ANY pure spam posts in Tavern for last days..
(Socks dont count - they had a REAL reason )

Xanferious · 05-12-2002, 08:27 PM

banning people by ip is hard cuz most of those n00bs use aol and its not a static ip, if you ban the host isp all toagther then your losing the others that come here to talk about the important stuff, but everyone needs to chill, the forums have been settleing down tho.

LikitaRenn · 05-12-2002, 11:59 PM

Mason · 05-13-2002, 12:21 AM

As of 11:24pm central time, shao, xanf, seth, and likita have a combined total of 997 posts. TMS has a total of 3040 posts. There are 403 total members. That means that 4 people have about 33% of the posts while 399 people have the other 67%. Arguably, a great percentage of those 997 posts have been spam, or arguments about spam. Many other people's posts have been in response to the infamous 4.

I believe these facts speak for themselves.

KaVir · 05-13-2002, 04:35 AM

The "community" you refer to appears to consist of yourself and three others. So why don't you take your "community" elsewhere else?

You appear to miss the point. This is Top Mud Sites. The forums here are for discussing muds. If you want to discuss other things, then take it to email or to a private chatroom. You are not wanted here.

If you want to play, play. If you want to talk about muds, then do so. But this is not a mud, nor a chatroom.

No.

No.

1. I am not American.
2. You apparently don't understand the meaning of "freedom of speech".

KaVir · 05-13-2002, 06:18 AM

An interesting fact from the statistics supplied by Mason is that if every member of these boards posted as frequently as the four individuals he mentioned, there would be over one hundred thousand posts every month. Let's just be glad that most of the other posters show a little more consideration!

Seth · 05-13-2002, 06:45 AM

Read the goddamn post, Mr. I-dont-care-what-someone-else-says-as-long-as-I-can-bitch-at-that-person. It clearly says that the social aspect is very much interesting, same here on these forums. I talk with people because I like to talk with them, not because I am so obsessed with MUDs I can't even have fun anymore or a decent life, like most of you turdflingers around here.

You, my friend, make a crap example for teaching us manners.

KaVir is partially right here. There is no TMS community anymore, just a bunch of people who take MUDs far to serious and forget that the whole concept of creating a MUD is to have fun in a nice way. Instead, they bitch at everyone and forget this having fun principle altogether, with the only social contacts that they still have consisting of MUD gatherings where they eventually forget their own RL name. I pity that kind of people.

These are the kind of people who make up the majority of TMS. Close minded people. People I do not want to associate myself with. Henceforth I have decided to let these forums die out and rot in peace, because they are not worth the effort to argue about. I have met several wonderful people here, I had nice arguements and I have been astonished that people who are running social games can be such utter assholes.

The avatar hosting service will go down in one week. PM/email me your avatar URL and I'll decide if I'm going to keep it or not, based on the fact wether you are a <removed the 'F' bomb. -OE> asshole or not. Anyone remotely nice who is interested in still contacting me, feel free to MSN me at . The rest of you can screw yourself and drop dead, thank you very much.

Closed minds should come with closed mouths.

KaVir · 05-13-2002, 06:54 AM

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Shao_Long · 05-13-2002, 09:09 AM

im tend to agree with Seth here..you people make EXCELLENT work in disrupting communities..
maybe you work in some special agency on communications devastation assingment..

Im posting a poll,and,well..we'll see..If the results will be just as i fear they will be..well,bye-bye TMS...

*edited to add ps*

PS. and,yes freaking stop already yer flaming ! I suppose everything was posted in this thread can be answered by mine last two polls..Hell,do you care,people ??or about people...

cainers · 05-13-2002, 09:49 AM

Okay, very simple. What URL do you type into your browser when you come here, topMUDsites.com.

If you wish to discuss socks, it would stand to reason that you would go to this site:

Which appears to be a really neat site about this guy, and his love for socks.

However, if you would like to discuss relevant mud related issues, then we are happy to have you aboard.

And BTW, The mud community that frequents here, and on mudconnector is a very tight knit group. Those that feel we are obscessed with MUDS i have two words for you; No ####!
You think anybody puts up with the #### and hassle that a mudder puts up with without being obscessed? *shrug*

Thats it,
Cainers

Shao_Long · 05-13-2002, 09:58 AM

the people ASKED for socks..see the suggestions forum..
and,ask you again..SHOW ME SOME RECENT SPAM..
Or stop the hell flaming about how bad it is !

KaVir · 05-13-2002, 10:25 AM

Actually our community was fine for the last couple of years, until you lot turned up.

Excellent! Just two more to go, then. What do I need to vote?

Shao_Long · 05-13-2002, 11:19 AM

Jazuela · 05-13-2002, 11:26 AM

I'll offer a few words as someone who was once the target of flames here by KaVir and Co.

I broke the rules out of ignorance, and got thoroughly roasted for it. In the private forums I go to elsewhere, such flaming is strictly against ToS and anyone flaming someone just because that someone did something wrong would be considered JUST as much in violation of the rules as the person who they were flaming. So I came here with that perspective. And I was flabbergasted, and not just a little irate, when I was treated so poorly.

I still think flames - insults - slamming someone intentionally to make them feel like idiots - is wrong. No matter what the reason.

But in the current trend on these boards, I've seen people try to deal with "violators of the spirit of the boards if not the actual policies" in fairly polite ways. At first. And then it seemed that these "violators" have decided that this is their new playground and if everyone else who's been here for years doesn't like it, then THEY can find a new playground.

I'll tell ya something. THIS AIN'T NO PLAYGROUND. If you want to play, log into a mud and play. That's what muds are for. There are a few focused threads that are great for us as contributors and readers of this forum to relax in. Such as that word association one, and the occasional "continued story" thread.

But socks? Hello? Do you not understand how ridiculous that is? Would you submit a poll about your favorite socks to your high school yearbook? To the daily newspaper in your town?

This is OUR daily newspaper. We love our text-based comic strips, sure. But those comics should only take up 1 or 2 pages within a 50 page paper. At the present time, it is not. At the present time, when I type into the URL buffer and hit enter, the home page shows me an index of current threads. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUDS.

This isn't topComicsites.com. It is topmudsites. If you have nothing to contribute or no interest in reading about the muds, then find another forum to play in.

To wrap this all up - KaVir, I hope you don't put me in the same category as some of the folks here of late. I can see now why you took such a vehement stand, though I disagree with the methods. I apologize for the past, and agree with you on the present.

-Formerly known as Baglady

Shao_Long · 05-13-2002, 11:33 AM

again and again and I ask you again...

Point me to at least one post that wasnt about muds or stuff ? (yes,socks,I saw it,thanks,anything else in three days ? or in a week ?)
Everyone's quiet ?
Then why by the hell you keep flaming and flaming and flaming some more ?
Cant stop ?
Guys,I think you're REALLY wrong here..

LikitaRenn · 05-13-2002, 03:02 PM

05-12-2002, 04:00 PM	#41
Seth Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ede, The Netherlands Posts: 271	Ah yes, the wonders of discussion forums. It's like politics, they can't agree even on the single most boring thing, even here. It's like there is this constant war against anything that isn't related to MUDs. First it was the spam and now it's the talk that's not related to spam which would lead me straight to hell, if I were to believe the lot of you people. Now seriously, I think general unrelated talk should be allowed. Why? Simple, because it's thanks to that this is a community, not a load of people who just post allot and about 300 people who lurk and leech information with ever saying something themselves. (those people talk the loudest in here, odd isn't it?) That, and maybe, MAYBE there are people here who are here for that community who you're all so enthusiastically willing to kill? I am, for one. I couldn't care less about MUDs. I played one and I liked it because of the social aspect, but the MUD itself was boring like BEEP. And I honestly think I'm not the only one here who just likes being here to talk to people, sometimes in a silly way and other times not. Anyways, I fully encourage a seperation from the front-end Recent Forum Discussion thingy. If people want to read any interesting threads in here, they shouldn't be such a lazy bum and click the two damned links that lead to the Tavern. Don't ruin the fun for others because you're too lazy to click a few links.

05-12-2002, 04:07 PM	#42
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	listen,folk ! maybe you really should pass a petition to Synozeer asking to kill the comunity,leaving just info ?? hell,people ! Not everyone's here just for 'information'.People mean more.

05-12-2002, 04:51 PM	#43
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	That statement makes absolutely no sense. How can someone lurk without saying anything, yet talk the loudest? However you are wrong about the community aspect. The community here has built up around people who like to discuss muds. It's only recently that other people have decided to come here and talk about socks and other completely unrelated things. And if you "couldn't care less about MUDs" then what on earth are you doing on Top Mud Sites? Once again I reiterate, Top Mud Sites is a forum for discussing muds. If I want to learn about your socks, I'll find a sock discussion forum (and if I WASN'T interested in socks, I wouldn't log on there, tell everyone that I wasn't interested in socks, then proceed to start discussing muds). Really, you people disgust me. Learn a few manners.

05-12-2002, 05:37 PM	#44
Valg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 643	Given that the majority of non-MUD posts on these forums are generated by a small group of people, one solution is to ban that small group of people by IP, given that they ignore all suggestions otherwise. I agree that it's good to have a forum for miscellany, so long as the miscellany is at least peripherally related to MUDs. There are plenty of good threads on the Tavern, but they're difficult to find, and the spam has greatly hindered my desire to use this site.

05-12-2002, 06:01 PM	#45
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	well,point me to ANY pure spam posts in Tavern for last days.. (Socks dont count - they had a REAL reason )

05-12-2002, 08:27 PM	#46
Xanferious Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Void Posts: 490	banning people by ip is hard cuz most of those n00bs use aol and its not a static ip, if you ban the host isp all toagther then your losing the others that come here to talk about the important stuff, but everyone needs to chill, the forums have been settleing down tho.

05-12-2002, 11:59 PM	#47
LikitaRenn Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: portland, oregon, usa Posts: 138

05-13-2002, 12:21 AM	#48
Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 158	As of 11:24pm central time, shao, xanf, seth, and likita have a combined total of 997 posts. TMS has a total of 3040 posts. There are 403 total members. That means that 4 people have about 33% of the posts while 399 people have the other 67%. Arguably, a great percentage of those 997 posts have been spam, or arguments about spam. Many other people's posts have been in response to the infamous 4. I believe these facts speak for themselves.

05-13-2002, 04:35 AM	#49
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	The "community" you refer to appears to consist of yourself and three others. So why don't you take your "community" elsewhere else? You appear to miss the point. This is Top Mud Sites. The forums here are for discussing muds. If you want to discuss other things, then take it to email or to a private chatroom. You are not wanted here. If you want to play, play. If you want to talk about muds, then do so. But this is not a mud, nor a chatroom. No. No. 1. I am not American. 2. You apparently don't understand the meaning of "freedom of speech".

05-13-2002, 06:18 AM	#50
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	An interesting fact from the statistics supplied by Mason is that if every member of these boards posted as frequently as the four individuals he mentioned, there would be over one hundred thousand posts every month. Let's just be glad that most of the other posters show a little more consideration!

05-13-2002, 06:45 AM	#51
Seth Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ede, The Netherlands Posts: 271	Read the goddamn post, Mr. I-dont-care-what-someone-else-says-as-long-as-I-can-bitch-at-that-person. It clearly says that the social aspect is very much interesting, same here on these forums. I talk with people because I like to talk with them, not because I am so obsessed with MUDs I can't even have fun anymore or a decent life, like most of you turdflingers around here. You, my friend, make a crap example for teaching us manners. KaVir is partially right here. There is no TMS community anymore, just a bunch of people who take MUDs far to serious and forget that the whole concept of creating a MUD is to have fun in a nice way. Instead, they bitch at everyone and forget this having fun principle altogether, with the only social contacts that they still have consisting of MUD gatherings where they eventually forget their own RL name. I pity that kind of people. These are the kind of people who make up the majority of TMS. Close minded people. People I do not want to associate myself with. Henceforth I have decided to let these forums die out and rot in peace, because they are not worth the effort to argue about. I have met several wonderful people here, I had nice arguements and I have been astonished that people who are running social games can be such utter assholes. The avatar hosting service will go down in one week. PM/email me your avatar URL and I'll decide if I'm going to keep it or not, based on the fact wether you are a <removed the 'F' bomb. -OE> asshole or not. Anyone remotely nice who is interested in still contacting me, feel free to MSN me at . The rest of you can screw yourself and drop dead, thank you very much. Closed minds should come with closed mouths.

05-13-2002, 06:54 AM	#52
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

05-13-2002, 09:09 AM	#53
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	im tend to agree with Seth here..you people make EXCELLENT work in disrupting communities.. maybe you work in some special agency on communications devastation assingment.. Im posting a poll,and,well..we'll see..If the results will be just as i fear they will be..well,bye-bye TMS... edited to add ps PS. and,yes freaking stop already yer flaming ! I suppose everything was posted in this thread can be answered by mine last two polls..Hell,do you care,people ??or about people...

05-13-2002, 09:49 AM	#54
cainers New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 12	Okay, very simple. What URL do you type into your browser when you come here, topMUDsites.com. If you wish to discuss socks, it would stand to reason that you would go to this site: Which appears to be a really neat site about this guy, and his love for socks. However, if you would like to discuss relevant mud related issues, then we are happy to have you aboard. And BTW, The mud community that frequents here, and on mudconnector is a very tight knit group. Those that feel we are obscessed with MUDS i have two words for you; No ####! You think anybody puts up with the #### and hassle that a mudder puts up with without being obscessed? shrug Thats it, Cainers

05-13-2002, 09:58 AM	#55
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	the people ASKED for socks..see the suggestions forum.. and,ask you again..SHOW ME SOME RECENT SPAM.. Or stop the hell flaming about how bad it is !

05-13-2002, 10:25 AM	#56
KaVir Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Name: Richard Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 2,052	Actually our community was fine for the last couple of years, until you lot turned up. Excellent! Just two more to go, then. What do I need to vote?

05-13-2002, 11:19 AM	#57
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505

05-13-2002, 11:26 AM	#58
Jazuela Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New England Posts: 849	I'll offer a few words as someone who was once the target of flames here by KaVir and Co. I broke the rules out of ignorance, and got thoroughly roasted for it. In the private forums I go to elsewhere, such flaming is strictly against ToS and anyone flaming someone just because that someone did something wrong would be considered JUST as much in violation of the rules as the person who they were flaming. So I came here with that perspective. And I was flabbergasted, and not just a little irate, when I was treated so poorly. I still think flames - insults - slamming someone intentionally to make them feel like idiots - is wrong. No matter what the reason. But in the current trend on these boards, I've seen people try to deal with "violators of the spirit of the boards if not the actual policies" in fairly polite ways. At first. And then it seemed that these "violators" have decided that this is their new playground and if everyone else who's been here for years doesn't like it, then THEY can find a new playground. I'll tell ya something. THIS AIN'T NO PLAYGROUND. If you want to play, log into a mud and play. That's what muds are for. There are a few focused threads that are great for us as contributors and readers of this forum to relax in. Such as that word association one, and the occasional "continued story" thread. But socks? Hello? Do you not understand how ridiculous that is? Would you submit a poll about your favorite socks to your high school yearbook? To the daily newspaper in your town? This is OUR daily newspaper. We love our text-based comic strips, sure. But those comics should only take up 1 or 2 pages within a 50 page paper. At the present time, it is not. At the present time, when I type into the URL buffer and hit enter, the home page shows me an index of current threads. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUDS. This isn't topComicsites.com. It is topmudsites. If you have nothing to contribute or no interest in reading about the muds, then find another forum to play in. To wrap this all up - KaVir, I hope you don't put me in the same category as some of the folks here of late. I can see now why you took such a vehement stand, though I disagree with the methods. I apologize for the past, and agree with you on the present. -Formerly known as Baglady

05-13-2002, 11:33 AM	#59
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	again and again and I ask you again... Point me to at least one post that wasnt about muds or stuff ? (yes,socks,I saw it,thanks,anything else in three days ? or in a week ?) Everyone's quiet ? Then why by the hell you keep flaming and flaming and flaming some more ? Cant stop ? Guys,I think you're REALLY wrong here..

05-13-2002, 03:02 PM	#60
LikitaRenn Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: portland, oregon, usa Posts: 138

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