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Old 03-18-2006, 09:15 AM   #61
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Hah, first I would like to thank you guys for making many of my otherwise semi-ok days so entertaning by reading these forums.

I dont like iron realms A: Because I dont think RL money should ever buy you power in a game, I am fine with monthly fees, and would pay a steep monthly fee for a good game as long as the game diddnt let you pay more to get more in game thats just good for buisness bad for people that cant afford it I think (yeah, american I know). B: Matt is the biggest jerk I have ever seen grace these forums. I have do deal with enough stuff ran by jerks IRL.

Oh yeah, something I read when I made this name that just about made my week:

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Diddnt I read matt is a moderator? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Man this place rocks:P
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Old 03-19-2006, 02:09 PM   #62
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So to recap, in IREs model you can log on for free but will be facing people who have paid money to get ahead, and will be solicited for such a payment yourself.

In the model for a game like Carrion Fields, you can log on for free and never even have the option to pay anything, anywhere, nor will you ever be up against anyone who has gotten ahead by means of their wallet.

How would you suggest aknowledging this distinct difference between the two models, if both are allowed to simply call themselves "free"?  Recognizing that there is limited space in an advertisement, so drawn-out explanations aren't practical.
I have been playing Lusternia for well over a year now. I have never once been 'solicited' to make a payment, and besides the announce posts in which the admins announce upcoming credit sales, I've never once heard a god suggesting that someone should buy credits, let alone demanding it.

My current character is a Marquis within Magnagora, which is the highest rank a citizen can attain without being on the ruling council. He is also a high-ranking member of his guild, holds several positions (including guild protector and the head of the Ministry of the Ambassador), has reached level 70, has decent skills, and is, overall, a fairly well-known and respected authority within the gameworld. I have never sent IRE one penny of my money, and I doubt I ever will. There are plenty others like me.

By the way, ever noticed how most people use IRE bashing more to promote their own MUD than to slander IRE's MUDs? "Yeah, they suck, but look at what we have...
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Old 03-19-2006, 03:30 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by (Gorgulu @ Mar. 19 2006,14[img
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Put this in context.  To be on the Council do you have to spend credits?  Level 70 of how many levels?  Define decent skills, especially compared to someone who purchases credits.  Have you ever spent credits?

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By the way, ever noticed how most people use IRE bashing more to promote their own MUD than to slander IRE's MUDs? "Yeah, they suck, but look at what we have...
Not really.  Do you have examples besides the one or two odd occurances?

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Old 03-19-2006, 06:02 PM   #64
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By the way, ever noticed how most people use IRE bashing more to promote their own MUD than to slander IRE's MUDs? "Yeah, they suck, but look at what we have...
Everything was okay up to this point.  I've never really seen someone use this tactic on the forum.

Most attacks are actually valid bad points of the IRE game system.  However, certain individuals don't like Matt, and thus let this carry into their arguments.  But even those folks wouldn't just use it as a cheap way to advertise their MUD.
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Old 03-19-2006, 06:03 PM   #65
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Put this in context.  To be on the Council do you have to spend creidits?  Level 70 of how many levels?  Define decent skills, especially compared to someone who purchases credits.  Have you ever spent credits?
No, you don't have to spend credits to become one of the Council, You have to prove yourself to the city to be elected to become a council member. To be a part of a commune's/city's ruling council you have to be a guild leader, and nothing says you had to buy credits. Just prove that you will do a damn good job of running that guild and that city. You can TRANS a skill without buying credits OUT OF CHARACTER, there are Ingame credits which you have to spend gold on. NOT MONEY.


I would like to simply say this: Those of you have posted to this and said that Matt simply started this thread to provoke people, then don't be stupid enough to reply to it. (Not trying anything bad about Matt starting this) Matt, in my opinion, started this thread to get all of you who flame in other threads at Matt to flame in one place and not screw up those other threads. I've seen that sort of thing happen, on the Lusternia forums. It gets nasty. And we've got a rule on there: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. And many of the comments on here are personal attacks.
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Old 03-19-2006, 06:05 PM   #66
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Matt, in my opinion, started this thread to get all of you who flame in other threads at Matt to flame in one place and not screw up those other threads.
We already have a [Flames] thread, so I'm not sure why he would make this one.
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Old 03-19-2006, 06:11 PM   #67
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For his own enjoyment?
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:48 AM   #68
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For his own enjoyment?
Probably, I obviously wasn't started for reasonable discussion. It's pretty much a bait thread. Some people act like it's to bring all the anti-IRE people into one area, but it's really only in certain areas anyways.
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Old 03-20-2006, 09:16 AM   #69
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I would like to simply say this: Those of you have posted to this and said that Matt simply started this thread to provoke people, then don't be stupid enough to reply to it. (Not trying anything bad about Matt starting this) Matt, in my opinion, started this thread to get all of you who flame in other threads at Matt to flame in one place and not screw up those other threads. I've seen that sort of thing happen, on the Lusternia forums. It gets nasty. And we've got a rule on there: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. And many of the comments on here are personal attacks.
More laughs for me:P From what I understand there arent supposed to be personal attacks here either.
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:09 PM   #70
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Matt r teh suck

Nerf IRE's ads plz

<insert random and badly spelled flame about Matt's mother's weight here>

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Old 03-20-2006, 02:19 PM   #71
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Matt r teh suck

Nerf IRE's ads plz

<insert random and badly spelled flame about Matt's mother's weight here>

kthxbye
You're acting like posts like that weren't the reason this thread was started.  If Matt didn't want people to speak badly about him, then maybe he shouldn't have started an Iron Realms flame thread.
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Old 03-20-2006, 08:13 PM   #72
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ok well maybe he shouldn't of done that



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Old 03-20-2006, 09:53 PM   #73
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Why nerf IRE ads?
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:26 AM   #74
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I have already posted many times,but let me repeat.
My character is Ikki.I am playing all 4 of IRE muds.No one has ever asked me to pay for credits or such.The games are free to play,anytime,from anywhere.If players want to spend their money on credits,that is their right(I bought credits only once for Achaea).
However let me repeat this again.IRE MUDS ARE FREE TO PLAY
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Old 03-21-2006, 02:18 AM   #75
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i may not play ire's rpgs but i have looked at the reviews and have done the novice introductions and have progressed to high lvls without  having or have been asked to buy credits



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Old 03-21-2006, 09:26 AM   #76
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lovechiefs and talith:

My question would be, but are you competitive in PvP?
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Old 03-21-2006, 09:37 AM   #77
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My question would be, but are you competitive in PvP?
I have been, and without spending money.
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:07 PM   #78
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i may not play ire's rpgs but i have looked at the reviews and have done the novice introductions and have progressed to high lvls without having or have been asked to buy credits
What reviews? IRE don't allow any reviews.

And if you don't play, except for doing the newbie introductions, how exactly did you progress to high lvls?

Just curious, since your post doesn't make any sense at all to me.
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i may not play ire's rpgs but i have looked at the reviews and have done the novice introductions and have progressed to high lvls without having or have been asked to buy credits
What reviews? IRE don't allow any reviews.

And if you don't play, except for doing the newbie introductions, how exactly did you progress to high lvls?

Just curious, since your post doesn't make any sense at all to me.
Reviews, he might mean the testimonials IRE has from players on their website. As for the other part... I was thinking the same thing as you.
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It's time for me to stop lurking and start posting. I'm a player that lurked these forums for last few months. Yesterday I formally registered as I thought it could not hurt. I haven't played MUDs for long (Just over a year now). I bring this to the boards- I played only two MUDs and one of them being IRE's (Achaea to be precise). I know zilch on programming and I have no MUD that I operate or work with.

It is possible in an IRE mud to attain the maximum level (And potential) without using money. The caveat here is time. Unless one person has mass amounts of free time and by mass I mean solid weeks, or even months of clocked gameplay. Another perspective is if one graphed this. For example- Population(y axis) against Maximum Potential (X axis). The graph will be a bimodal with the middle being the fewest as there are two distinctive classes or poles. The middle connecting both poles represent players with patience and or minimal sums of money. As the ends represent those who can afford it (time and money) or those who cannot (Not enough time or money).

So yes, Matt is technically right that his MUDs are free to play, since one can attain the maximum level and potential (In a much longer time frame). However, that person would need to have devoted substantial amounts of time to do so, an amount unparrallel to a person that payed.

Was I deceived by Matt and his firm? Well at first, I didn't know what credits were, but it was made evident within the first hour of gameplay having asked "What are these credits that peole keep talking about?". Do I wish that they can make credits more clear on the homepage or to newbies? Yes. Was I peeved? Not really but it was a shock and explained many oddities among players comparing to myself.
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