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Old 07-16-2005, 04:14 AM   #1
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Am I the only one who notices that forum discussion has really fallen off recently? What happened?
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Old 07-16-2005, 07:43 AM   #2
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It's Summertime in the States. That means a lot of people are on vacation, away from their computers, or mowing the lawn, or enduring the wonder that is "cookout" in their back yards with three dozen family members that they never thought they'd have to see again.
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Old 07-16-2005, 09:48 AM   #3
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Well, I can't say why for everyone but as for myself, I've been under doctor's orders to remain in bed 24/7 so I haven't been downstairs at the computer much for a couple weeks (though 3 of the last 4 days I've been out of bed far, far too much).

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Old 07-16-2005, 12:17 PM   #4
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Medievia.
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:48 PM   #5
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Laugh I was waiting for someone to say that
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Old 07-17-2005, 02:38 PM   #6
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I wasn't being facetious. Several of the more active posters left after Synozeer allowed Medievia back, and without them most threads don't reach critical mass. It's the simplest explanation for the phenomenon.
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Old 07-17-2005, 06:24 PM   #7
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I'd say it wasn't the people leaving that was the result of Medievia, rather I would say that Medieivia resulted in a sort of overload on the forum in which there was more conversation than there had ever been.  Shortly after it was accepted the overload stopped completely and the forum is sort of like a bombed out wasteland right now, the big issue many people started posting for is now gone, and the lurkers who came out of their caves retreated back into the abyss until the next controversy unfolds.  Maybe I should pull another "Achaea sucks" in the flames thread just to liven things up a bit!
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:08 PM   #8
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Frankly, I don't think anything is different.

There are periodic surges of traffic, and then there will be barely anything for days or weeks. It has been like that for years.

I'd just like to see idiot admins stop posting identical threads in "Looking for Players" and "Looking for Coders."

Which is it?

If you need coders, it ain't time for players yet.
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:56 PM   #9
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....identical threads in "Looking for Players" and "Looking for Coders."

Which is it?

If you need coders, it ain't time for players yet.
Agreed. While I have two coders already, I'm still looking for a third before I even begin work on the MUD. Regardless, I won't be looking for players for at least a year or two. Posting both simultaneously doesn't suggest a very well-organized administration nor does it suggest that whatever code changes from the base will be made, they'll interfere or affect players that much.

Well, back to exile...I mean bed...for me.

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Old 07-17-2005, 11:02 PM   #10
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I don't mind the players/coders adverts, it's the two threads that are IDENTICAL IN EVERY WAY and both get bumped at the same time, as if the person WANTED to post two threads that are exactly the same and take up two slots in the recent discussion list.
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:43 PM   #11
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I don't mind the players/coders adverts, it's the two threads that are IDENTICAL IN EVERY WAY and both get bumped at the same time, as if the person WANTED to post two threads that are exactly the same and take up two slots in the recent discussion list.
I dislike seeing that too.

I'll add one more to the list: posters who bump their post without any content.

If you're going to add another reply, at least have something to say other than "Bumped". If it's an advertisement, I personally don't want to see it bumped for at least a few months or until major differences have occured in the month (and posting a general advertisement and then another the next day to announce an event is just as annoying...any degree of organization would allow an admin to avoid such frivolity by simply combining the post). You had your chance, you posted, now it's done. It's still on the forums even if it's not on the recent postings list. But if every MUD posted as often, it'd get pretty outrageous.

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Old 07-18-2005, 02:44 AM   #12
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Me, personally, i got quiet because the discussions drifted from things that interest me.

I don't speak if i have nothing to say, many of the recent discussions have not been up my alley. I look stupid enough out here in the wilds of the forums, don't need a constant reminder of it. The intensity is annoying.

And, as for this post bumping thing, i mean, god.
It's a forum.

Get over it, imo, it's not like the discussions he bumped were of all-consuming importance.

See, I get all emotional and rhetorical when I speak up, and there's no website to quote from, so, what's the point of posting? Nothing like showcasing my glaring incompetence for the world to pick apart. Or making strangers feel bad for no reason, other than I'm in a snotty mood? ;>

I've been thinking of, lately, starting a thread for my home mud in the advertising for players section. I'd have my fanboi's bump it about once a week, maybe every 2, 3 weeks, even. But new posters, etc. It'd be like an ongoing review, or something, w/o putting in a bunch of nonsensical reviews.

But I see the way that just, someone bothering your 'I'm all caught up with the FORUMS at TMS!' mentality, the 'stfu, n00b' vibe that is so pervasive on any Forum site, that i'm leery of putting one up.

Frequency and ettiquitte are all consuming. It gets harsh for a while, and when people need breaks, they take 'em. Site's not going anywhere. People come, people go.

Just like a MU*.

People's interests are not all the same, and sometimes, they just are content with the knowledge base they have. Forums cruise, just like MU*s. Discussion will never die. Don't worry.

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Old 07-18-2005, 03:23 AM   #13
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And, as for this post bumping thing, i mean, god.
It's a forum.

Get over it, imo, it's not like the discussions he bumped were of all-consuming importance.
That's the problem. The threads this mythical "he" bumped were NOT important. Thus, he shouldn't have been bumping them.

The reality of the TMS forums is that the majority of readers only notice topics on the front page. If 2 of the 7 are basically the same thread, that is a huge waste, and it also means at least one thread that MIGHT have interested someone is not listed there.

I actually think it would be a great idea if the "Advertising for..." forums were excluded from being included in the front page of "recent discussions."

If someone is looking for a mud, they can easily seek out those forums directly.

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I've been thinking of, lately, starting a thread for my home mud in the advertising for players section. I'd have my fanboi's bump it about once a week, maybe every 2, 3 weeks, even. But new posters, etc. It'd be like an ongoing review, or something, w/o putting in a bunch of nonsensical reviews.

But I see the way that just, someone bothering your 'I'm all caught up with the FORUMS at TMS!' mentality, the 'stfu, n00b' vibe that is so pervasive on any Forum site, that i'm leery of putting one up.
Sending your fanbois to bump it every 2-3 weeks sounds like spam to me.

There are actual discussions someone might find more interesting than someone's purely self-interested self-promotion thread getting bumped just out of habit.
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Old 07-18-2005, 06:19 AM   #14
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Yup, that's what i figured.

Spam.

But maybe it'd be a good thing to take the advertising for sections off front page, hrm. That sounded interesting.
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Old 07-18-2005, 06:31 AM   #15
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Frequency and ettiquitte are all consuming. It gets harsh for a while, and when people need breaks, they take 'em. Site's not going anywhere. People come, people go.
It is true that people come and go in any forum, and it is also true that the activity in discussion forums as well as in muds usually goes down during summertime, for many reasons.

Still, you need a 'critical mass' of posters with both interesting things to say and differing opinions for a forum to stay alive. (The failure of the closed 'Mind's Eye' Forum shows that). If most of the oldtime posters leave a forum, or stay silent in protest, the valid discussions about interesting subjects will dwindle down to almost nothing, leaving only the drab promotion and asking- for-coders/builders spam. And the odd interesting subject that still may be raised often drowns in that spam.

This is what this forum has been reduced to lately, and most of us are aware of the reason why so many of the oldtime posters left in protest.

Perhaps the discussions will pick up in time, but that doesn't change the fact that the unfortunate decision regarding Medievia has tapped it of much of its lifeblood.

In time new posters may replace the ones that left and perhaps some of them will be as interesting as the old ones. But in any case that will be a slow process, especially if there are more interesting discussions to be found elsewhere.

And that is why most of the more experienced developers of free games left. Forum readers are pragmatical, they don't just 'come and go'. Serious mud developers have their beliefs and principles, some of them very strong, and they will act in accordance with their principles. If people don't like the general atmosphere or the topics in a forum, they are likely to take their business elsewhere and be gone for good.
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Old 07-18-2005, 02:04 PM   #16
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Personally, I found the hostility and nastiness rather offputting and decided to give this forum a rest. However, I am pleased to note that I posted a topic elsewhere on the site recently and it has received nice and interesting discussion on a timely issue.

Everyone has their passions, but when it becomes uncivilized and cruel a lot of people are put off by it. It drives folks away. Sadly, I think THAT is the kind of thing the admin should be moderating, and is not.
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Personally, I found the hostility and nastiness rather offputting and decided to give this forum a rest.
Well, you really started up posting in "Conflict: Medievia", so it is understandable why many people were on edge.
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Numerous people left after Molly from 4D did. Her comments about Tyche and others were carefully weighed, and many people do not want to be involved in a community associated with him.
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Numerous people left after Molly from 4D did.  Her comments about Tyche and others were carefully weighed, and many people do not want to be involved in a community associated with him.
Er, what comments about Tyche? He left at the same time Molly did, for pretty much the same reason...
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Numerous people left after Molly from 4D did. Her comments about Tyche and others were carefully weighed, and many people do not want to be involved in a community associated with him.
Er, what comments about Tyche? He left at the same time Molly did, for pretty much the same reason...
Tyche left? That goes a way toward explaining some of the quiet. He knew how to fan flames!
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