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Old 04-15-2006, 02:27 PM   #1
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Has anyone heard or read anything about a MUD called The Seventh Sun? I've googled and yahoo'd it, but I can't find a listing. I also searched for it here on this site and got an address that lead to a blank page. I think I remember it being at least 2-3 years since they said they where opening. The game sounded promising and fun, so I even gave in when they asked for donations! Now, I can't seem to find them.
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Old 04-15-2006, 03:16 PM   #2
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I used to chat with their server programmer occasionally who told me they closed up shop. Their domain hasn't been renewed since last year I think. Its too bad really, because like you said their game did sound promising.

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Old 04-15-2006, 03:33 PM   #3
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Not surprised.. I was thier gme programmer once. I distinctly remember quiting because Chel's husband was a complete asshole. She was great, and had great ideas.. that guy was
just unbearable. I'm not surprised its gone, but its sad, it would have been a good game.

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Old 04-15-2006, 04:34 PM   #4
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Nothing beats a game that asks for donations and then disappears when it's got them.
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Old 04-16-2006, 01:29 PM   #5
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Well, I only donated $20, but I think they had players who donated up to 100 or more dollars. We were all promised items for our characters when the game was finally up and running. Of course the more you donated, the better and more useful the item would be.

Oh well, thanks for the replies. I've been browsing the "Muds in Developing" thread and I'm interested in a few games on that list. This time around, my checkbook is sealed shut!
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Old 04-17-2006, 12:25 AM   #6
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They approached us a year and a half ago or so looking to get us to publish their MUD, but it wasn't a good fit. Looks like they just gave up at some point.

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Old 04-18-2006, 03:44 PM   #7
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I programmed for Chel for a while. She was a wonderful writer and had some durn good ideas.

From what I remember they had several thousand all original rooms done by volunteer builders. A massive project pre-mapped for the builders from an overall world map and done with a custom browser-based building tool.

They had over a thousand people registered at their forums in active discussions. This for a game in pre-alpha. That should give you an idea how good her writing was.

One day I went to check their website and they were gone. If I had to guess it would be server costs that brought it down. That and/or programming costs. That is just a guess.

Very sad.
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Old 04-18-2006, 04:09 PM   #8
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Yep, very sad..

I was a follower of TSS for aprox. two years until the site closed down. It wasn't unexpected, though...

And I, like Realedazed, also donated $20. Oh well.
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I know Chel was serious..I don't think I'd put it under the "rip off" section.. more the 'failed' section. She had the entire
thing documented (I still have them all) .. it would have been a very cool mud. Shame it died off.

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Old 04-18-2006, 06:45 PM   #10
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I know Chel was serious..I don't think I'd put it under the "rip off" section.. more the 'failed' section.
I seriously doubt anyone thinks the Seventh Sun was trying to "rip off" anyone. I could certainly think of a lot easier ways to scam money off of people than starting a MUD!

This is a good illustration that the best of intentions, lots of talent and a good supply of enthusiasm may not be enough to build a MUD up from ground zero. Unless you've done it, it is hard to imagine the pitfalls, obstacles and frustrations that can plague development of such a massive project.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:32 PM   #11
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I know Chel was serious..I don't think I'd put it under the "rip off" section.. more the 'failed' section.
I seriously doubt anyone thinks the Seventh Sun was trying to "rip off" anyone. I could certainly think of a lot easier ways to scam money off of people than starting a MUD!

This is a good illustration that the best of intentions, lots of talent and a good supply of enthusiasm may not be enough to build a MUD up from ground zero. Unless you've done it, it is hard to imagine the pitfalls, obstacles and frustrations that can plague development of such a massive project.
What... it's a walk in the park... anyone hve some super glue, I think my pinky fell off gin.

It is a lot of work, one of those, you don't really know what you're getting into... until you're doing it.
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Old 04-21-2006, 06:17 PM   #12
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After contacting the owner of TSS I believe it is safe to say the project is far from dead.

I believe they may re-establish their public online presence soon and I wish them well in their continued and further development.
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:54 PM   #13
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I would be very interested in chatting with anyone who was/is associated with The Seventh Sun.

I have to say I've stumbled upon these boards completely by accident and have been spending hours reading them!

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Old 04-26-2006, 12:37 AM   #14
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After contacting the owner of TSS I believe it is safe to say the project is far from dead.

I believe they may re-establish their public online presence soon and I wish them well in their continued and further development.
Well, that's good news.
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:53 AM   #15
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I was working with Chel and all. I initially created the website for them.
My personal opinion was Chel was great! I think it was the programmer that got her. She let him move into her place, if I remember correctly, and he didn't really do much. Supposedly he told her he worked mostly when she was away from the house. I can't remember his name though, but he was the main reason I left the project because he thought he was the sh**, which he wasn't and scared off other potential programmers. If I remember correctly, he took some of the code when he left.

Other than that, I think Chel was great person and I hope she does get it back up, because I wish her well!
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Old 04-26-2006, 11:02 AM   #16
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I was working with Chel and all. I initially created the website for them.
That was a nice website. Easy to navigate and pleasing on the eyes.

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I think it was the programmer that got her. She let him move into her place, if I remember correctly, and he didn't really do much.
When I came aboard I junked the code he had. It was nearly useless, and looked like he "borrowed" much of it from other codebases.

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Other than that, I think Chel was great person and I hope she does get it back up, because I wish her well!
I agree. She was/is a great person.

If she wanted me I would likely head back for another go at it. As a coder I love working with good writers and intelligent idea people. She was both.
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Old 04-26-2006, 03:35 PM   #17
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Yeah, it was an awesome concept, and the ideas they were taking from potential players to give it what everyone wanted within reason is unmatched that I've seen so far.

But building from scratch it's easier to do those types of things, I suppose.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:55 PM   #18
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TSS! Don't get me started.

Some of you may or may not know that I was a writer for TSS for many many years. I've written over a thousand detailed rooms as well as editing the work of others and general checking of things.

I can accept completely that they may have run out of funds or options for a way forwards and that this sometimes happens with a business. What I can't accept at all is the way it ended.

Of all the programmers and builders I know I don't think anyone has actually heard from Chel. A lot of people gave up on the project after only hearing alittle bit about it for quite some time. But many stayed and continued their faith in the game and in Chel.

Even after 6 months of not having had a single word from Chel I continued to check the website regularly, my builder inbox... Then, with still no word, I go to log in one day and it won't work.

Huh, maybe there is something wrong with the site or something. Nope, it's down and out. No apologies, no thanks for your help but it just didn't work out. Nothing.

Chel, if you are reading this, please drop me an email, just let us know what happened and if there is ever the chance of it getting off the ground some time in the future. Like many many other people, I think it is a real waste of peoples great ideas and talent.

TSS could have been THE mud as far as I'm concerned and I'd hate for it to just sit in a big box under someones bed.

Thalin.

Ohh, Reale, what muds you been checking out?
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Old 05-01-2006, 03:58 AM   #19
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Hehehe. I didn't read the second page of posts until after I'd posted.

Any news on TSS Mabus?

Rosella - if you wanted to chat to someone who was a TSSer my msn addy is skanknbrotha@hotmail.com - any time.

Ohh, now I've got my hopes up all over again for TSS.
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Re: The Seventh Sun

Well this is a really old post but I feel the need to respond.

Yes, I had programming problems, yes its a big task, yes to all of that . But that's not the reason that the project disappeared. I was hosting the server offsite with a company called Hostaway.net. One day, I went to log in to administer the server (had a PLESK OS) and the license on it was expired. So I started calling.. Trying to get them on the phone to fix it.

No one answered.

No one returned my messages.

No one answered the support tickets.

After about 2 weeks, I was starting to come to the realization they were gone.

With my information.

All of it.

Years... and years. Heh.

I have no excuse. I have nothing to say other than I went pretty much off the ole' rocker. Everything came down on me at that point. The programming issues, the loss of everything, having just had a baby that was not helping! I had stayed out of work for 3 years to devote to that project full time and basically after pushing the reset button more times than I can count, I just.... eh. I kind of curled up in a ball really.

So... A few months ago, I was digging through an old hard drive and I found a very old back up of TSS stuff. About 1.5 years of work was lost to the disappearing Hostaway.net (who has since been bought out by Global Stat who has NO EARTHLY idea what I am talking about when I call... ) but... we have about 8k of the 14k or so rooms we had. Further, I finally got my domain back after waiting for it to Expire... heh. Finally did, and got it back. It was registered with the Hostaway people.

So. Here we are.

Whats going on Chel?! Where can I go to throw rotten fruit at you?! The Seventh Sun - Age of Prosperity will answer both of those questions =] The Seventh Sun - Age of Prosperity also works.

I am currently paying a Java Programmer who will start April 5th or there abouts modifying the codebase. Do not ask me when alpha/beta will be as I have no clue and will never get myself in THAT trap again =) We are working hard and have been on the downlow for a couple months now. I am now set up and ready to move forward 'properly' and that's what we are doing.

I know a lot of you put much time into TSS. I am very sorry that I let you down. I was just very devastated. No excuse, just the reason. Hopefully, you can let me make it up to you.

Sincerely,
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