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Old 04-08-2003, 11:26 PM   #21
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The main reason I don't much care for Roleplay required is, quite honestly, I don't like being told how to RP... every MUD I have ever played where RP is required, rather then encouraged, there have been RP-Nazis who go about making fun of other people's roleplay, telling them they can't be a tall faerie, or a short elf, or this or that.
I don't think anyone is personally offended because you don't like rp enforced muds, but you do say above that you don't like rp enforced muds because people have been rp nazis to you in the past. †You weren't talking about your own mud in your first post (I urge you to go back and reread it), you were specifically pointing to rp required muds, which are more likely to have documentation and character, class, race, familial, etc. limitations to rp based on the game world's history and evolution.

This doesn't make the people who run or play them nazis, it makes them people who enjoy that type of rp environment.

I think the reason that you got the responses that you did is that you really don't seem to have a grasp of the concepts that run most rp intensive MUDs. †I think rp encouraged is more likely up your alley, just based on your posts. †If you don't see the fun and enjoyment of playing within a culture that is well documented and with a character compelling history, there's nothing wrong with that. †It still doesn't make us nazi's when you're in our game-world trying to play your smart ogre, and we tell you so. †It just means there is a certain flavor and richness to the game world that depends on certain limitations and restrictions.

By the way, I'm not sure how you can have an rp 'enforced' mud without history and documentation and certain limitations. †I'm confused by this concept. †What is the point? †What are you roleplaying? †I am really curious, so I'm hoping someone can give me some feedback.
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Old 04-09-2003, 06:49 AM   #22
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I agree somewhat with Marynne here.
I'm all for enforcing certain rules for what it acceptable to RP and what isn't, however, the lines can be blurry. What then stops people from going from saying "Elves never ride horses." to "You shouldn't act serious. Elves are always happy-go-lucky." and eventually, "People who RP mutes annoy me. You should change your RP." ?
A lot of people out there like telling people what to do and how to roleplay, and once you give them a little, they can become very authoritarian.  What constitutes 'good RP' is subjective, and unless the guildelines are very clear on the website or helpfiles, I don't like people to go around enforcing them.
However, this isn't limited to rp enforced muds. It depends more on the atmosphere, and how laid back people are.

Oh, and mute rps really do annoy me, but I try very hard not to go around telling them that.
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Old 04-09-2003, 08:10 AM   #23
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Wow, I start a simple poll and before I know it there are 3000 posts and lots of agreved role playing enforcers

I am sure the post about role playing enforced wasn't meant as bad as it sounds. I have met enough people who always have to interfere to know how annoying they are though.

In a way I suppose it's similar to Live Role Play.

You see people who have obviously improvised their costume together and it isn't really right yet. And that doesn't bother me, because at least they have tried - ####, my costume wasn't much better when I started.

But you then get some &*^& out there in a pair of bermuda shorts and a T-shirt and that really annoys me.


So, what is the point of this post? Well some people might have a go at the people in the first example - who are trying but aren't there yet. Those people are the 'RP Nazis'.

On the other hand anyone having a go at the person in the second example has my full support.
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Old 04-09-2003, 10:19 PM   #24
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First, I'd like to state very clearly that I screen descriptions (with the prize on the other end being newbie cash). If someone walks in a fiery demon god into a cyberpunk mu*, I'm going to politely guide them to the background. If they still resist, too bad. If they try, and it takes us an hour of work to get a reasonable description, that's perfectly fine. That's what I will call good RP enforced.

Bad RP enforced is when people decide that something strange and unusual, but only that, not illegal!, is wrong. This is what I see the argument thus far as being. One side sees only the first, the other only the second.

Here's what I will say about it. RP enforced environments are not themselves more conducive to such behavior as bad RP enforcement. In fact, by the very nature of having the boundaries so strictly defined they do the opposite, giving a new player a foundation to defend their character. On the contrary, if a big bad player on an RP enforced mud says you're character is wrong, how are you going to defend yourself? The only reason I see this occuring in RP enforced environments more often (possibly) is that, in RP enforced environments, there is a higher bar for realism. That said, I think this is all a big misunderstanding, and the thread should probably suffer a brutal seizure and never see the light of day again.

But, I would like to say I've had a lot of people say that I'm too strict with newbies, and newbies tell me that I'm a stickler and driving them away. On the other hand, most of those people just aren't wanted (not saying you're not wanted). My primary mud has, amongst other things, medical helpfiles on the aging, common diseases, etc of the "races", if you want to call them that. I've seen people walk in and strut around characters who have all the powers that come with something, but none of the problems. That's just not right, and I think that sort of unbalancing is one of the major things that RP enforced eliminates. Clear rules = reasonable characters.

Oh, and Jazuela... That is the most beautiful post I have ever seen... Feel free to tear apart my analogies any time!
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Old 04-10-2003, 07:12 PM   #25
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There seems to be the assumption that there is some minor issues seperating the 'RP Required' and 'RP Encouraged' and that if the second group just needs to stop being afraid of what is only a small number of morons that try to dictate playing. Then there is the idea that specifying details about a race and making the players play that way is a good thing. I think it is this second matter that is an issue between the two nearly 1/2 of the players that voted in each.

Giving some examples:

1. The pokemon invasion that 'never happened, because no admin would have allowed it', but which I really wish I had been there to see.

2. The one wizard that has declaired himself 'The Duck God of Textual Porn'.

3. The slave of one player that he named Mully and is described as being a 'Highly Cute and Puffy Makeral'.

4. The annual apperance of a Santa Claus in the main city.

These are only just those oddities that I can remember off the top of my head.

In an RP Encouraged mud, you may see things like this, some of them dropped into the world by the admin themselves and others by players. None of them are entirely in theme, any more than the easter egg hunt they also have each year, but as long as they are limited to quirks and oddities that don't completely undermine the game, they are allowed. In an RP enforced and required one, you will never see these things. Yes, it is nice to play by the rules as stated, but once in a while, even in paper based RP, it can be fun to have the summoning spell go completely wrong and end up with a hippie holding a protest sign and wearing a smilee face T-shirt. Personally I prefer living in a virtual world that 'can' occationally contain the patently obsurd player, event or object. It is this that made me vote for 'RP Encouraged' over the other.
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Old 04-10-2003, 08:10 PM   #26
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Personally, I prefer humorous incongruences that are still within the realm of rules. If a mud sets rules so draconian that humor is not possible, something's wrong. I have, amongst other things, an eight year old gnomen girl with a beard (a bard), and suffice it to say, it is quite odd and at times amusing, but does not require stepping outside the realms of the world. Why would hippies be better than a tree-hugging race of elves (assuming your elves hug trees)?

The strange is when an apprentice casts "flaming hands" and ends up with two sprays of water. Or when the Saint of Giving, servant of the Goddess of Unity, arrives in the city, distributing needed gifts to those who need it... Why must he be Santa?

The argument isn't that the OOC can't exist, either. But Pokemon invasions are decidedly not IC, because, by golly, they make no sense, and belong in the OOC world, accordingly. RP enforced muds enforce RP, they do not police your minds. The hallmark of RP enforced muds is requiring RP on the IC grid, and regulating that RP to some degree or another, preventing rampant insanity and providing a cohesive backdrop. Nothing you stated has decidedly no place in such a world... Only no place in the IC aspect.
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:52 PM   #27
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This is a little confusing for me because I play both an RP encouraged and an enforced MUD. †
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I agree there is something to be said about the fun spontaneity of RP encouraged MUDs, like an easter egg hunt or a magic potato landing in your hands and giving your chracter super powers. †Yet, I would have to say I prefer the RP enforced atmosphere of a MUD hands down. †It is a huge comfort to be able to walk down the street in a MUD without automatically knowing someones name, or not having to see descriptions like "This woman is the most beautiful woman in the world. †One look and you fall in love with her".
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Also, I really find the idea of gaining points by murdering things to be... unsettling and a bit boring. †Suppose that's why I haven't 'leveled' a character on my RP encouraged MUD in about.. oh, two years.
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To those who wish to break out of the set-mold on RP enforced MUDs, maybe ask the staff first? †I've played one or two characters that were different from the established norm, but I discussed it with the staff first and made sure it was good to go. †I don't think admins are that hard to approach, and tend to be rather accepting, especially if you're open to their ideas aswell. †Or.. maybe I've just been lucky! Alaire is the best!
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Old 04-23-2003, 08:01 AM   #28
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I would have to say I prefer the RP enforced atmosphere of a MUD hands down. It is a huge comfort to be able to walk down the street in a MUD without automatically knowing someones name, or not having to see descriptions like "This woman is the most beautiful woman in the world. One look and you fall in love with her".
While I agree with those two points, I fail to see what they have to do with "RP enforced" muds - they are simply features that any mud (including non-RP) can have.
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