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Old 02-15-2003, 08:02 PM   #1
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<span style='font-size:25pt;line-height:100%'>LOOK, AN ACTUAL UNDERDOG MUD OF THE DAY*</span>

Midnight Sun
Website: http://midnight-sun.ludd.luth.se:3328/
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At this writing, Midnight Sun is No. 85 on Top MUD Sites. It's a fantasy game with quite a few possible activities - and even has a daily "newspaper" on the website to keep track of current events.

Worth checking out!

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Old 02-16-2003, 12:31 AM   #2
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That's rather insulting, Brody.
The 'little guys,' as you termed them, are always ten times better than the 'big cheaters,' nee top twenty five.
I'm sure that if they want to advertise, they'll do it themselves.
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Old 02-16-2003, 12:39 AM   #3
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Or, maybe they'll appreciate the effort. Either way, it's really no skin off *your* nose, is it?

The NEXT Underdog MUD of the Day will be posted shortly after midnight Eastern
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Old 02-16-2003, 01:14 AM   #4
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The 'little guys,' as you termed them, are always ten times better than the 'big cheaters,' nee top twenty five.
This is a rather broad and unsubstantiated generalization. For the record, Dartmud has never offered any incentives for voting, and has been in the top 20 for some time.
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Old 02-16-2003, 01:20 AM   #5
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Cat's Haven MUCK
Website: http://pages.sbcglobal.net/catshavensabbath/CatsHaven/
Telnet: zor.zor.com:10972

Currently No. 100 on the list, it's not just about being a cat. Appears to be a friendly hangout for RPers, and not too stringent about how you perform (as long as you *try* to work within the parameters of the Middle Ages theme).

Worth checking out!

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Old 02-16-2003, 11:38 AM   #6
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As I am very, very close friends with the woman who owns Cat's Haven, it is indeed my business.
As I said before, I'm sure that if they want to be advertised, they shall advertise themselves. And Cat's Haven is hardly a 'little guy.'
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Old 02-16-2003, 11:41 AM   #7
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I'm starting to believe that you cannot see how tasteless you are.
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Old 02-16-2003, 12:23 PM   #8
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These games are "underdogs" in the sense that they aren't in the Top 20 and don't show much sign of getting there against the likes of Achaea.

If I take *my* time to pick out some from the lower ranks and give them some front page exposure - free advertising - on a daily basis, I *hardly* think that can be considered tasteless.

It's not meant to be insulting. If you take it that way, I'm sorry, but you've got some issues that need working out.

I wish you the best.
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Old 02-16-2003, 12:53 PM   #9
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These games are "underdogs" in the sense that they aren't in the Top 20 and don't show much sign of getting there against the likes of Achaea.
I don't know a single MU* that, to ANY capacity, wants to be like Achaea. If they want advertising, than they will advertise for themselves. And I doubt many people are going to trust the word of someone who hasn't even played on these MU*'s.
Clearly, Brody, I do have problems: my sense of morals and my respect for other's privacy amongst them.
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Old 02-16-2003, 12:58 PM   #10
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I rather like this idea and if my mud was low on the rankings I sure as heck wouldn't complain about someone who has better things to do advertising it. I think it's great that someone (especially someone who has as much stuff going on as Brody hehe) actually takes time to log onto random muds and see what they're all about in order to tell the rest of us what we may be missing.

It's not like he's saying "hey guys this mud sucks, let's all play it because we feel sorry for the poor little thing." You know as well as I do that being higher on the list doesn't make it better and being lower doesn't make it worse. It's just a popularity thing. There's probably a lot of really great muds on here that most people haven't bothered to check out because it takes longer to get to them. If Brody wants to spend his time searching so we don't have to, I don't see what the big deal is.

(Note: Just because I play a mud that's usually in the top 20 doesn't mean I knew anything about TMS or that it was even listed here when I started playing. I really have no clue. )
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Old 02-16-2003, 01:02 PM   #11
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No offense Alajha, but you don't see the folks who run these MUDs posting in heartbroken-tear-jerking sentences because Brody picked someone not in the Top Twenty and said something nice about them.

He didn't even review them and offer some down sides to their MUD. He gave them free positive exposure. You just come off as someone with an axe to grind not somone protecting the dignity of these other muds. If you are going to have a cause to promote at least promote it when it makes sense.
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Old 02-16-2003, 01:02 PM   #12
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Clearly, Brody, I do have problems: my sense of morals and my respect for other's privacy amongst them.
...privacy? Good heavens, I'm not posting anyone's RL information. If a game doesn't *want* to be known, and doesn't *want* to be on the list, there's an easy way to keep it quiet: Don't get listed.

As OnyxFlame said, I'm just helping out as I can. If *you* don't appreciate it, I'm sorry. You're welcome to your opinion. But it's as much my right to post about these intriguing games as it is your right to gripe about my doing so.

Again, sorry if you're having such a negative kneejerk reaction to it, and I wish you the best, but I'll continue doing it.
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Old 02-16-2003, 02:14 PM   #13
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I don't know a single MU* that, to ANY capacity, wants to be like Achaea. If they want advertising, than they will advertise for themselves. And I doubt many people are going to trust the word of someone who hasn't even played on these MU*'s.
Clearly, Brody, I do have problems: my sense of morals and my respect for other's privacy amongst them.
Why do you lump the alleged practices of Achaea in with MU*s being able to advertise for themselves?
I know for a fact that many muds (including the one I build for) can only afford their hosting fees.  ANY advertising, mention, objective review, or even a pat on the back the way Brody is doing in pointing out the people who deserve a second look is much appreciated by those of us who may never again see the Top 20.  I also applaud Brody.  He makes no judgment on the MU*s he lists, he simply points out a couple interesting features.  Any who are interested can go and form their own opinions.  
And any mud which places a link here and expects privacy is seriously in need of common sense.  If someone gives them a fair, and objective, critical review, would that be offencive as well?

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Old 02-16-2003, 03:36 PM   #14
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These games are "underdogs" in the sense that they aren't in the Top 20 and don't show much sign of getting there against the likes of Achaea.
I don't know a single MU* that, to ANY capacity, wants to be like Achaea. If they want advertising, than they will advertise for themselves. And I doubt many people are going to trust the word of someone who hasn't even played on these MU*'s.
Clearly, Brody, I do have problems: my sense of morals and my respect for other's privacy amongst them.
*pat pat* Awwh, are the grapes just a little too far out of reach for you?

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Old 02-16-2003, 04:59 PM   #15
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Sorry Folks,

I just hated the way this came out the first time.

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I just went and looked again at TMS 100 and didn't realize how little votes you need to get into the voting. There seems to be good competition in the 80-100 range!


Your doing good service for Mudding by speaking of lower ranking MUDS IMHO. Keep it Up!

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Obviously some people need to understand the American version of the English language a bit better...
..an "underdog" is usally someone or something that isnt expected to be the best, but turns out to be the best. What Brody in his kindness (because he could be pasting tons of reviews of Other Space instead..which btw is a nice MU*) is doing is roughly saying "Hey! These dont have the Ubernewbies, dont have 2000+ players on at anytime, dont have 1000000000 orginl rooms BUT do have that something special that the so called "Top 20" dont have..like bettere attitudes towards players, different classes, whatever..".

  Yes, it's free advertising for the MU*s in the lower 30 in the list and it's a good idea. Better than the reviews that say the excat same thing the listings say or were written by an Imp (or disgruntled twink).

 I say kudos to Brody for doing something someone else could've done but didnt for whatever reason...

...now as for the "privacy" issues...umm..if you have it listed anywhere in the internet, then you cant scream violation of privacy..you list it here or at TMC, you invite people to come into your MU*. It's not an invasion of privacy..an invasion of privacy would be Brody (or anyone else) posting your irl stats like where you live (street address, etc) CC #s, port #s, phone #s..which side of the bed you sleep on, when you go to the bathroom, how much tp you use and who you called 3 minutes ago and what the conversation was. THAT is an invasion of privacy. Please note the differences, makes life a bit easier to live and enjoy.
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..an "underdog" is usally someone or something that isnt expected to be the best, but turns out to be the best.
Actually the word "underdog" has two meanings:

1) A loser or predicted loser in a struggle or contest.

2) A victim of injustice or persecution.

It has nothing to do with being the "best".

So basically, Brody is posting his "Loser of the Day award". Indeed rather insulting, but he's perfectly entitled to his opinion. Of course if he doesn't want to cause offense, he might try changing the name to "Overlooked mud of the day", or "Random mud of the day".
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So basically, Brody is posting his "Loser of the Day award".
KaVir, I like or at least respect just about everything you've *ever* said. Not that. Your inference (and anyone else's) that this is meant to be a slam on the MUDs I spotlight is your own. Here's the definition I get from my trusty pal, dictionary.com:<ul>1) One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle, as in sports or politics.
2) One that is at a disadvantage.[/list]Myself, I follow Definition No. 2. The games I spotlight are disadvantaged from the standpoint of visibility on the list. In an effort to give them some advantage, I post about one each day.

I think some folks can get a little too carried away with politically correct wording. My hometown team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, were underdogs going into the Super Bowl. Yet they came out on top. Underdogs are those you may not expect to succeed, but really can, if given the opportunity to shine.

Sorry if anyone has wildly differing/demeaning definitions, but those are *your* issues. Not mine.
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I for one think it's a great idea. The more exposure the better.
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The Turning Point MUD
Website: http://mud.tp.org
Telnet: tp.org 9999

A fantasy MUD with a focus on roleplaying in the realm of Tarn, it's got a website that provides a concise rundown of what players can expect and what's expected of players in the give-and-take interactions of RP.

Worth checking out!

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