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Old 05-08-2005, 11:52 PM   #1
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Rhuarc(sp?) of Mud Drake hosting has posted that he's going to cease advertising on Topmudsites because of the admission of Medievia. Iron Realms has nothing against Rhuarc, but we don't wish to see Synozeer lose out financially from his decision.

So, we're going to buy the two banner spots and donate them to two non-IRE, non-commercial muds for 6 months. We'll give them to the muds of the first two mud admins who post back to this with a description of his/her mud that makes me laugh somehow or impresses me for whatever reason (yo, guy that runs the dinosaur mud....you've got a good shot on the making me chuckle side if you hurry! ). Again, sorry, but no commercial muds please.

It'd be nice if we could get through this without anyone insulting someone else's mud too.

Edit: I'd prefer that you either post your descriptions here or, if that makes you uncomfortable for whatever reason, email me at matt (-at-) ironrealms (-dot-) com. Thanks!

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Old 05-09-2005, 12:24 AM   #2
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Cripes, you really are an arrogant a**hole!! Listen to your partners & quit embarassing them!
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Old 05-09-2005, 12:28 AM   #3
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Heh heh. That's too funny. My partners and I were taking bets on how long it would take before some idiot flamed us for donating money to help a non-commercial MUD promote itself. The prevailing sentiment was that it'd take 3 posts but it appears only 1 was necessary!

Chuckle-worthy.

Incidentally, what my partners objected to was lowering myself to arguing with people like you rather than just announcing what we're going to do and not worrying about whether you like it or not, as people like you don't matter. Believe me, they have even more contempt for your type than I do.

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Old 05-09-2005, 12:42 AM   #4
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You've dropped to a whole new low with this one. Makes me wonder what sort of behind the scenes deal you struck with Mike.
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Old 05-09-2005, 02:04 AM   #5
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Such abject paranoia. Must acts of outright charity be maligned purely for their source? Matt has maintained a long standing place in this community, and yes, of course it benefits him that the community continue to prosper. But hardly any more or nearly as much as it would any who wishes to take him up on his offer. Were it otherwise so perhaps the matter could reliably be called into question. However, seeing as how it is not, it is nothing more than irresponsible to so staunchly oppose such an act for little reason beyond a distaste for the man who has offered it.
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Old 05-09-2005, 05:04 AM   #6
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Matt has maintained a long standing place in this community, and yes, of course it benefits him that the community continue to prosper.
A 'long standing place' of initiating plug after flame war after plug, disrupting the boards for everyone else, yes. And if he were really that interested in helping the community, why does he openly support those who steal the work of others?
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Old 05-09-2005, 06:24 AM   #7
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So, we're going to buy the two banner spots and donate them to two non-IRE, non-commercial muds for 6 months. We'll give them to the muds of the first two mud admins who post back to this with a description of his/her mud that makes me laugh somehow

How very kind of you ...

Is it just me, or this post just reeks of arrogance? "Make me laugh somehow, and I will throw you a slice of bread off my table, maybe."

I will be amazed if anyone will take this offer. Though I've been amazed more than once by behavior of people on these forums recently, so who knows...
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Old 05-09-2005, 06:42 AM   #8
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I will be amazed if anyone will take this offer. Though I've been amazed more than once by behavior of people on these forums recently, so who knows...
There'll always be some prideless pauper in any community who'll relish the scraps from another man's table.
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:31 AM   #9
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While I'm aware even as I write this that it'll get ignored as my connection with IRE obviously automatically makes me one of Matt's lapdogs, I don't remember him condoning anything Medievia does or doesn't do anywhere.

I'm not sure exactly where the idea that Matt is evil for offering a couple of advertisement places came from, but I have, as of yet, seen no logic behind it at all. Not all things are done selfishly, though Matt has often spoken of the "rising tide raising all ships", so if you must believe in some kind of self-serving motivation, that one is entirely plausible.
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:40 AM   #10
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I don't remember him condoning anything Medievia does or doesn't do anywhere.
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I'm not sure exactly where the idea that Matt is evil for offering a couple of advertisement places came from, but I have, as of yet, seen no logic behind it at all.
Go read some of the Medievia-related posts from yesterday in which Matt was taking on all comers that dared to disagree with their position - perhaps it will become a bit clearer.

Oh, and though i'm sure you could care less about one puny player - as someone that's been lurking here for a long time and mudding in various places for 10 years, i've lost any and all desire to ever play any IRE games after all the rubbish that was posted yesterday. Thanks guys!
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:55 AM   #11
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I don't see him condoning what Medievia did in the past, though if I'm wrong I'm sorry, I believe what he said is that he has evolved his opinion over time. Clearly Matt believes that Medievia has done its penance, so to speak, and should now be welcome in the community. I would compare this with Germany now being a trusted member of the international community again, though it was the focal point for truly awful things in the past.

As for you personally, while I am by no means a representative of IRE as a whole, so I can't really comment on anything that may have been said on any threads, if you have been an IRE player of course I'm sad to see you go, and if not it's always a shame to see a prospective player turn away. Provided you're not someone I don't like, of course.
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Old 05-09-2005, 10:20 AM   #12
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Lisaera: Clearly Matt believes that Medievia has done its penance, so to speak, and should now be welcome in the community. I would compare this with Germany now being a trusted member of the international community again, though it was the focal point for truly awful things in the past.
Flawed analogy. Medievia continues to profit off of their stolen, uncredited work, and therefore continues to earn their status. They damage the community directly- several developers have cited their theft as the reason they do not presently care to release free codebases to the public.

Germany was welcomed back into the international community after they (forcibly) reconstructed their government, accepted responsibility for their actions, showed proper contrition, and, most importantly, ceased the acts that led to them being an international pariah.
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Old 05-09-2005, 10:28 AM   #13
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I don't see him condoning what Medievia did in the past, though if I'm wrong I'm sorry, I believe what he said is that he has evolved his opinion over time. Clearly Matt believes that Medievia has done its penance, so to speak, and should now be welcome in the community.
Therein lies the problem - quite a large group of people (including myself) do not feel that Medievia has completed their pennance, or feel that they are not even attempting to repent & change.

Instead of accepting this, Matt seems to have chosen to treat anyone that disagrees with Medievia's position as a cross between an enemy and a total idiot - to the point where his business partners apparently had to tell him to stay quiet because he was generating bad publicity.

No matter how many times you, or Matt, or Soleil make the flabbergasted "We can't understand why you fools won't give up and accept us" posts, it's not going to change anything, and it's only going to cause more trouble for everyone. Since this mess began, I notice Medievia has slipped in the vote tally from being in 3rd to barely in 6th, for example.

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I would compare this with Germany now being a trusted member of the international community again, though it was the focal point for truly awful things in the past.
There is such a huge difference between the two situations, I can't see how this is a valid comparison at all. There is almost nothing in common with Germany's reparations after the war atrocities, and the thieves of Medievia that refuse to even apologize, much less stop the problem acts.
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While all I know about this situation is what I have read here, and what Lisaera has told me, all I have to say is simple. How do we know they didn't completely remove all the DIKU code, and are not 100% original? If they are, then good, and welcome back to the community. If they didn't, I'm sure it will be found out, and they will again be banned.
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How do we know they didn't completely remove all the DIKU code, and are not 100% original?
Because it's the same mud - all they did was increment the version number.
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Incidentally, for clarification, I didn't mean the mud description has to make me laugh as in "Haha, you suck." More as in "Haha, what a great original concept." Quite a few MUDs have emailed me and while I'd like to be able to give the banner spots to all of you, I have to pick. I'll pick in a couple days to give people more time to see the thread.

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Old 05-09-2005, 01:57 PM   #17
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Age of Reptiles has, sadly, ceased to be. It was a fun place, too. If anyone sees Voidrider wandering around, kick him in the crotch and make him put AoR back up.

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Old 05-09-2005, 01:59 PM   #18
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Age of Reptiles has, sadly, ceased to be. It was a fun place, too. If anyone sees Voidrider wandering around, kick him in the crotch and make him put AoR back up.

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#### it! I was really hoping I'd hear from them. I thought that was an interesting concept.

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I didn't mean the mud description has to make me laugh as in "Haha, you suck." More as in "Haha, what a great original concept."
What do "great, original concepts" have to do with making people laugh? I don't see why would anyone be laughing at a "great, original concept"...
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I didn't mean the mud description has to make me laugh as in "Haha, you suck." More as in "Haha, what a great original concept."
What do "great, original concepts" have to do with making people laugh? I don't see why would anyone be laughing at a "great, original concept"...
Don't you sometimes just laugh out loud when something delights you? That was my reaction to Age of Reptiles, for instance.

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