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Old 08-17-2002, 02:27 PM   #1
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Okay, so while mudding today I had this really crazy idea about fighting yourself. Now, I'm not a codder or building, but I think it might be worth looking into. The MUD would read the player/character file and create an EXACT duplicate, even the same inventory. This duplicated character would then attack the original with exactly the same stats, weapons and inventory. It would use spells the character knows, use skills the char knows and even use items in the inventory of the character. In essence, this would be a fair fight, even nice if the code would allow duplicated to group up if a group were to enter this area...

The downside is, the potentials for duping items... Imagine a naked character entering the area, encountering his naked clone. Then suddenly wear all his armow and swords and steal these from his dupe's inventory. The way to solve this would be to just let the dupe perish without a corpse or items, but that'd be pretty much unfunny. Still though, it seems like a nice idea though and maybe some people over here wanted to hear about it
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Old 08-18-2002, 09:36 PM   #2
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That has usually been called a 'Mirror Match' and is interesting as a one time deal but that is about all.

The problem is that it is usually best to fight things you have a decient chance of defeating. Against youself you have only the human vs AI advantage which should be enough but not always.

Usually this sort of thing is part of a special quest, and most people do not desire a rematch once they have done it once.

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Old 09-09-2002, 09:55 AM   #3
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We did this on our mud as quest for a bit and what happened was player removes sword and wears very weak weapon. mirror is then created and is pansy, they switch back to their good weapons and easily kill it. it was fun until they figured that out.
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Old 09-09-2002, 06:32 PM   #4
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I imagine the best way to handle the problem with players unequipping, and re-equipping would be for the ai to find the best available weapon and armor and use it.

The only real problem is that unless you develop a decent ai the player is going to be able to defeat their reflection to easily, simply b/c they know their own weakness and the weakness of the mob engine.
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Old 09-09-2002, 06:32 PM   #5
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I imagine the best way to handle the problem with players unequipping, and re-equipping would be for the ai to find the best available weapon and armor and use it.

The only real problem is that unless you develop a decent ai the player is going to be able to defeat their reflection to easily, simply b/c they know their own weakness and the weakness of the mob engine.
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Old 09-10-2002, 06:02 AM   #6
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I would imagine that, since this is the Advanced MUD Concepts forum, that anyone who actually implements such a feature will have a decent enough AI system to defeat simple PC work around tricks.

I would suggest that in creating the duplicate, the mirror automatically wears the best equipment the player has in inventory (to include containers).  What you decide is "best" is dependent on your game mechanics.  Some places value armor class over hitroll/damroll, other places do the opposite.  I also suggest that your mirror wield the weapon that has a) the best dice, or b) a decent race vulnerability exploiting damage type (i.e. if the player is a fire giant, and vulnerable to cold, and he has a cold damage weapon on him, the mirror uses that cold damage weapon).

If your players decide to start pulling other tricks, such as dropping their stuff, have your mirror immediately get everything on the ground upon creation.  They give their eq to a friend?  No problem, have your mirror create with the best equipment pulled from everybody on-line at the time.  Or, you could implement an "owner" flag for objects, and have ownership of objects cost something to change.

In the RP world, it may be easier to control your players without having to "hard code" these kinds of things.  I live in a PK world, so I don't have as much wiggle room.

Back to the original point, though.  It's really not that hard to develop a half decent AI system for anyone that's serious about having one.  Time consuming, perhaps, but hard...definitely not.
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Old 09-16-2002, 10:12 AM   #7
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Why not have something that mirrors everything the person does? So if someone enters the room then that person's double enters the room. But who'd win the fight? Well most combat systems have some randomness, it's all a luck of the draw. Or if someone can somehow outsmart the system.
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Old 09-16-2002, 02:46 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by (Warhead @ Sep. 10 2002,05:02 am)
They give their eq to a friend? No problem, have your mirror create with the best equipment pulled from everybody on-line at the time.
Alternatively, be mean and have mirror images to created on everyone entering a room. Friend is lugging around your EQ? Give him one of his own mirror images to fight as wewll then, that should keep him busy, especially considering his mirror image has the best stuff of both his original character as well as his friend. Add some nice no-recall and no-flee flags to this lovely situation and you'll soon run out of friends crazy enough to help you out...
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Well..besides the whole "Character meets him/herself" bit, the idea of an alternate universe is interesting. I mean look at it like this. Imagine yourself logging into a MUD, doing the name bit, then choosing a race, class, sex, etc AND then find out..Orcs, Demons, Goblins and Drow are the good guys while elves, humans and halflings are the evil ones sought out to be destroyed. Real mind twists like Merlin being bad and Morgan La fey is the good one. Smaug has to destroy the One Ring made by Bilbo. The whole concept could go endlessly on including for MUDs set in the future (Kennedy never got shot, or the US never attempted to gain Independance..just watch "Sliders" to get a good idea or two) or even modern times. Here's one..what if, going by the standard Tolkien timeframe, Frodo got killed and the Ring was lost? There's a good beginning for a fantasy MUD. Would be interesting to see out there..a MUD where all you thought you knew, was totally different and flipped inside out like some Eschiel (sp?) picture...or a bad X-files episode.
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