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Old 12-07-2004, 07:21 PM   #161
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Is there anybody else that'd love to see an open (ie anyone is welcome) MUD forum where flames are simply not allowed?
Actually the flaming had pretty much stopped here until you came back.
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Old 12-07-2004, 07:26 PM   #162
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Actually the flaming had pretty much stopped here until you came back.
Not my fault that Dulan, Molly, and company feel the need to flame me. Blame the source, not the target.
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Old 12-07-2004, 10:24 PM   #163
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-sigh-

And watch the amazing results of not handling trolls like trolls.

Meh.
Dulan, you are SO not able to criticise people for trolling. Pot calling the kettle black, indeed.

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Old 12-07-2004, 10:26 PM   #164
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Is there anybody else that'd love to see an open (ie anyone is welcome) MUD forum where flames are simply not allowed?

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Absolutely.

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Is there anybody else that'd love to see an open (ie anyone is welcome) MUD forum where flames are simply not allowed?
Hey well there's always mud-dev.

Here's a serious professional sample of serious professionals discussing something...

"In order for any profession to mature, a profession-specific nomenclature has to develop that professionals can use to talk about profession-related topics intelligently and with sufficient specificity. For instance, if somebody says "mob" in the context of our profession, I know exactly what they're talking about, even though someone from outside our profession might be thinking "pitch forks and torches." If we haven't decided on a name for the things that our profession works on (something that would seem to be a fundamental building block for any such nomenclature), then it seems to me that further discussion. is warranted to at least come to some general consensus."

"I use the term "multi-user virtual world" IF the world is a prominent aspect of the system. I am not objecting to the term
"virtual worlds", after all I did argue for it while you still wanted some other term. I am objecting to over-extending it. There are other terms too, of course..."

"I would not have guessed the discussion of the effect of newbies would migrate into a debate on definitive minutiae and use of the term "virtual world." Without a more formal taxonomy and phylogeny of "virtual worlds" within a stronger committee-based context (ie. authorative society), the discussion can wander far, far away."

"Personally, I tend toward "virtual world" when pressed. I'd like to find something better -- "virtual" equates to "hopeful" or even
"nebulous" and "world" has grandiose connotations. Not good things when talking to skeptical investors, publishers, or potential partner/customers who don't know a mob from a noob."


Serious and professional. Did I say professional? You can watch professionals argue over the definition of MUD just like 14 year old n00bies for only the price of an email. No extra charge for the 11-letter professional sounding words. Serious professional high signal stuff with nary a mention of women's breasts and no farting. Well not a whole lot of fun either.

Exerpted and names ellided to avoid embarassing the professionals.
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Dulan, you are SO not able to criticise people for trolling. Pot calling the kettle black, indeed.

Absolutely.

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Here's a suggestion
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Old 12-08-2004, 02:04 AM   #167
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Hey well there's always mud-dev.  
Yeah, unfortunately, mud-dev got hijacked by people purely interested in the largest possible commercial graphical MUDs possible quite awhile ago.

Terranova is not bad but again, they're focused almost exclusively on larger graphical worlds. I'm talking text MUDs only really.
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Old 12-08-2004, 04:36 AM   #168
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Is there anybody else that'd love to see an open (ie anyone is welcome) MUD forum where flames are simply not allowed?
If that is what you want, why was the forum you started yourself anything but 'open (ie anyone is welcome)'?

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Not my fault that Dulan, Molly, and company feel the need to flame me. Blame the source, not the target.
Did it ever occur to you that YOU might actually be at fault yourself, ie the cause of the flaming starting?

For instance, my initial post to Soleil in this thread was pretty polite, especially compared to what other people wrote about Medievia. But you just had to take a potshot at me, didn't you?
Apparently that is a habit of yours that you aren't even aware of, since nothing is ever your fault.

I freely admit that you quite often annoy the heck out of me with your quite often smug posts. At least you could try to admit your part of the blame.
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Old 12-08-2004, 06:31 AM   #169
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Yeah, unfortunately, mud-dev got hijacked by people purely interested in the largest possible commercial graphical MUDs possible quite awhile ago.
Well, it's not like you're not allowed to discuss muds there. If none of us does, how is it their fault?
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Old 12-08-2004, 02:23 PM   #170
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Yeah, unfortunately, mud-dev got hijacked by people purely interested in the largest possible commercial graphical MUDs possible quite awhile ago.
Well, it's not like you're not allowed to discuss muds there. If none of us does, how is it their fault?
Oh, it's not anyone's fault. It's just the way it is. The list is largely structured for professionals or wanna-be professionals, and most pros or wanna-be-pros are going to be looking at the graphical arena these days. There's also the issue of needing common experiences to discuss, and list participants are far more likely to have a common experience in CoH or WoW than in text MUDs, all of which are small by comparison.

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Old 12-08-2004, 02:54 PM   #171
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If that is what you want, why was the forum you started yourself anything but 'open (ie anyone is welcome)'?
I want a lot of things in life. I fail to see how wanting one of them precludes wanting another.

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Did it ever occur to you that YOU might actually be at fault yourself, ie the cause of the flaming starting?
No. I challenge you to find a single post from me on TMS in, say, the last -year-, in which I attacked any specific person when that person didn't attack me or someone else first. Seriously, try to find one.

On the other hand, I can point to at least three places in this single thread alone where you attacked me or someone else, unprovoked. The first, when you bitched that we didn't want to essentially single-handedly pay to promote all text MUDs, may have been a legitimate mistake due to English being your second language, though given your record of constantly attacking me and Iron Realms, I'm inclined to believe that Threshold's assessment of the situation here is likely correct.

On this page here you attacked me for (I can barely contain my chuckling as I write this), not thanking people who made posts in a post of my own, and accusing me of only thanking those who offered financial help. The former is a mind-bogglingly stupid complaint, and the latter is a flat-out lie.

And, of course, here you shunned Medievia after they offered assistance, accusing them of using other people's IP without permission while you sit back and use other people's IP without permission. Yes it was a pretty polite attack on Medievia but so what? If I politely suggest that you are <pick your insult>, does that mean I haven't attacked you? It was still an attack on Medievia, and I get tired of seeing them kicked around when so many other people break usage licenses to IP worth orders of magnitude more.


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I freely admit that you quite often annoy the heck out of me with your quite often smug posts. At least you could try to admit your part of the blame.
Hey, your posts irritate me all the time, but I don't flame you just because I don't like your attitude (I'm not even going to bring up what it is about your attitude that irritates me, as I have no doubt that would lead to more crap being posted.) If you choose to attack, be an adult and take the blame where it belongs: Squarely on yourself. You flame because you want to, as it's certainly not incumbent upon you to do so.

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Old 12-09-2004, 05:06 AM   #172
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Well.. I was going to keep my mouth shut too.. but, as it was put... man.. what the ... is wrong with some of you people?

Now I will admit in advance I skipped around 14(!! pages of this crap.. so my comments are pretty general.

Tyche - Your a moron on TMC, your a moron on TMS. You love to talk ****.. but please, stop puffing yourself up and attacking everyone else, just to stroke your own ego. There are very qualified shrinks that can help you with that. Have you considered that your sheltered, close minded, at most times "blindingly stupid" idea of morality just might not match everyone elses? Jeez.. I mean.. hey.. they must be wrong! Lets just drop the general idea that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and attack all the other ones! Your like... the Hitler of Morals.. you want to exterminate anyone whose don't look like yours.

Molly - Get a life. Oh, and being I've known Matt for years, I can tell you, he likely has reason to be smug. I would go into
why, but then, I'm sure the very fundimentals of business would simply confuse you.

Matt - Keep up the good work. I joined up last year, I joined up this year, and I'll join up next year. Unlike some people, I opt to give something back. It really is a shame you have to deal with this (2 times in a row even).. Anyway, keep it up.

Has anyone considered that one must MAKE money to GIVE it away? Oh.. right.. were only supposed to give without any sort of return.. wow.. in the world of Tyche, you must have one #### of an economy.

Regards,
Dale.

PS - Yes, I know, its a total flame, I know it might **** you off, and I know, you probably think I suck. Guess what - Don't care. Someone has to stand up to these trolls, mayaswell be me.

P.S.S - Assuming you are not one of the above mentioned trolls, please excuse my rant, and have Happy Holidays
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Old 12-09-2004, 01:08 PM   #173
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That's really gay. It's sooooo totally gay it's juvenile. Annoyingly gay and immature.

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Show some tolerance for Christ's sake.
*chuckle*

He calls for tolerance while using "gay" repeatedly as an epithet and insult.

I'm not sure what is worse: the bigotry or the hypocrisy.
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Old 12-09-2004, 01:10 PM   #174
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For instance, my initial post to Soleil in this thread was pretty polite,
Hahahaha.

You "politely" called her and her husband criminals?
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That's really gay. It's sooooo totally gay it's juvenile. Annoyingly gay and immature.

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Show some tolerance for Christ's sake.
*chuckle*
Hey you should know better than to post quest spoilers to the group. The only thing I need to know is whether anything you were drinking came out your nose and whether there was damage to the monitor. Just type 'score' at the prompt to see how you're doing. ;-)
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Old 12-09-2004, 02:45 PM   #176
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[quote= (Threshold @ Dec. 09 2004,18:08)]
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That's really gay.   It's sooooo totally gay it's juvenile.   Annoyingly gay and immature.

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Show some tolerance for Christ's sake.
*chuckle*

He calls for tolerance while using "gay" repeatedly as an epithet and insult.

I'm not sure what is worse: the bigotry or the hypocrisy.
...or the complete inability to recognise blatant tongue-in-cheek?
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Old 12-09-2004, 07:18 PM   #177
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Since when has anyone in the MUD Community been able to recognize tongue-in-cheek, KaVir?
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Old 12-10-2004, 12:31 AM   #178
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Sounds more like someone caught acting poorly and covering it up later by claiming it was an attempt at humor gone horribly wrong.

Ask some gay people you know (assuming you know any) if they find it funny or acceptable even in that context. Many of them won't.
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Old 12-10-2004, 12:57 AM   #179
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God, this is the thread that just wont die.

Please, please, please can you ****y little school children just let this #### thread fade away.

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Old 12-10-2004, 01:03 AM   #180
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Did, Threshie-chan.

They were fine with it.

See, are you sure that you haven't read the post in context over closely, bud? It's pretty clear that it is not meant seriously.

(Edit) At least what -you- are picking at.
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