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Old 05-20-2002, 08:40 PM   #1
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I recently noticed Orion's IMC-bashing editorials on MUD Planet, and felt compelled to respond to give a fuller picture. My reply can be read here.

Another point, the editorial by "Mr X." is technically in violation of copyright. You can create a parody (eg "Bored of the Rings"), or even quote some sections for the purposes of criticism or review (under the "fair use" act), but quoting the entire article without permission is dodgy in the extreme, even if you've replyed to it point-by-point. Furthermore, there is a distinct line between "parody" and "libel", and I'd say that article crosses it. It has the sort of content I'd expect to read on Muduniverse.
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Old 05-21-2002, 06:50 PM   #2
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Likened. Not called. To liken is to compare to, hence the definition from Dictionary.com

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To see, mention, or show as similar; compare.

You compared my actions in the below phrase as similar to Vryce's:

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You've got to watch out for the Vryce's trying to steal your work, but you also need to be careful of the Orion's trying to take away your rights to your OWN work.
While you may not have intended to liken me to Vryce, that is what you did.

On a minor side note, you keep saying that I have a personal dislike of Ntanel. I don't, nor have I ever claimed I did (hell, I still talk to him on IMC and ICQ occasionally). I have issue with some of his actions (which have been cleared up as of late as well), but I do not have a personal dislike of him.

As for the article from Mr. X he e-mailed me yesterday and requested it be removed (not sure if he saw this or not, but his reason is currently listed in place of the story). At the author's request it was removed.
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Old 05-21-2002, 07:12 PM   #3
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You compared my actions in the below phrase as similar to Vryce's:
Firstly, "compare as" is grammatically incorrect - you either "compare to" (which is used figuratively and metaphorically to liken one thing to another), or "compare with" (which is used when you place items side by side to examine their similarities and differences, and is statistical rather than creative).

However I did neither. I pointed out why people should have to watch out for the Vryce's, then said "but you also" before pointing out that people also have to watch out for the Orion's. I was not comparing the two evils, simply pointing out that they both exist. I drew no parallels between them, made no comparisons, pointed out no similarities.
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Old 05-21-2002, 07:18 PM   #4
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Stealing and taking something that isn't one's to take. Hrm. Ah well. Sorry, I just don't see how 1 != 1. *shrug*

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On the note of the grammar; If you compare one thing to another to show a similarity, you compare them as similar items. That's the point I was making.

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Ugh. I really need to pay attention. Also the 'as similar' can be removed from that phrase, if you so wish... it's used to make a distinction.
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Old 05-21-2002, 07:57 PM   #5
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These are comparisons:

Compare car thieves WITH the police and you'll notice some similarities - for example, they'll both take your car without your permission, if you're not careful where you leave it. Personally I prefer to compare Vryce TO a car thief, as it makes for good analogies.

This is NOT a comparison:

You've got to watch out for the thieves trying to steal your car, but you also need to be careful of the police towing it away for being badly parked.

In the latter, no comparison was drawn between the two. This should be obvious, unless you're deliberately trying to make yourself out to be a martyr.
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Old 05-21-2002, 08:17 PM   #6
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I just read KaVir's post, and saw absolutely NO comparison being made between Vryce and Orion. In fact, I read the opposite: a DISTINCTION was made..

He said you have to watch out for people like Vryce who steal your code and you also have to watch out for Orion's trying to take away your rights to your own work.

An analogy might be: "When driving your car, you have to watch out for children in the street as well as oncoming traffic." In such a statement, children and cars are not being considered similar things. They are distinct hazards you must be aware of when driving.

Similarly, people who steal your code and who contribute to your code and later try to control your work are distinct hazards in the mudding community.
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While you two may see a distinction here, many of the people I've spoken to believe your statement to be akin to simply calling me a Vryce wannabe. *shrug* It's a matter of viewpoint, I suppose... as the wording used in the statement can be taken two very different ways, apparently.

But, regardless... the past is the past, so why not learn and move on? The Diku/GPL IMC thing is more or less dead now (only a few people are still doing it), and everyone has had their say in the matter. As for the misunderstanding... I guess that still remains to be a matter of opinion. *bow*

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Forgot to mention, please remove the statement that I've made it quite clear that I dislike Ntanel... that is not a statement of fact. I HAVE made it quite clear that I dislike some of his actions... but I have nothing against him personally. I will also add a link to your article, from the IMC License article, if you want.

Take care, gents.
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While you two may see a distinction here, many of the people I've spoken to believe your statement to be akin to simply calling me a Vryce wannabe. *shrug* It's a matter of viewpoint, I suppose... as the wording used in the statement can be taken two very different ways, apparently.
I'd say it is a matter of reading comprehension, rather than viewpoint.

Anyone with a basic ability to read english should be able to tell that KaVir was making a clear distinction.

If we have come to the point where we have to speak like 2nd graders to prevent morons from skimming and misunderstanding things, then we may as well go back to cave painting instead of written language.
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Yeah. We'll have two types: Cavemen grunting, and psuedo-intellectuals that try to appear as if they have some semblance of legal knowledge.

Heh. I drool for that world. And chalk me up as a caveman. .

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Yeah. We'll have two types: Cavemen grunting, and psuedo-intellectuals that try to appear as if they have some semblance of legal knowledge.

Heh. I drool for that world. And chalk me up as a caveman. .
Ugh! That sounds like a terrible world!

I guess I have to be a caveman as well, since having an actual law degree would rule me out of the second.

Can I have an Uber Club of Dinosaur Bashing + 10? That's sorta cool I guess.
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