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Ilkidarios · 04-06-2005, 05:31 PM

This is just like the thread about the Schiavo case, but about stem cell research. The question is: If you were in Congress and a vote was put in for government sanctioned creation of new stem-cell lines, how would you vote?

Valg · 04-06-2005, 05:38 PM

Of the six "recent" threads on TMS right now, one is about the pope(*), one is about Schiavo, and one is about stem cells. None of these have anything to do with MUDs. Can we agree that there are better places to discuss these topics than TMS?

(*) At one point, that thread did address MUDs, but that part was deleted and a discourse on the pope has taken it over instead. Why the moderators are concerned about deleting tasteless MUD-related topics and ignoring tasteful non-MUD-related topics escapes me. I'd much rather have the former- reading about MUDs is why I come to TMS.

Ilkidarios · 04-07-2005, 04:31 PM

It doesn't have to be about MUDs, it's in the Tavern of the Blue Hand. This part of the board is about all stuff not related to MUDs. If you want to talk about MUDs, go start your own topic in one of the areas about MUDs.

Threshold · 04-07-2005, 11:13 PM

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Of the six "recent" threads on TMS right now, one is about the pope(*), one is about Schiavo, and one is about stem cells. None of these have anything to do with MUDs. Can we agree that there are better places to discuss these topics than TMS?

I was thinking the same thing when I saw this additional political BS post.

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Ilkidarios wrote:

It doesn't have to be about MUDs, it's in the Tavern of the Blue Hand. This part of the board is about all stuff not related to MUDs. If you want to talk about MUDs, go start your own topic in one of the areas about MUDs.

This doesn't mean it is a good idea to pollute the forums with one political thread after another.

Isn't it obvious by now that nothing good comes from ANY of those threads?

Ilkidarios · 04-10-2005, 02:09 AM

On the contrary, I think we gain a substantial amount from these threads. We can see everyone's opinions on these things, thus letting us see into their personalities, albeit for a fleeting and small idea. That way we can better understand the ideas of the whole, and individuals around us. A better perception of each one's ideas will lead to a more comfortable environment for all the forum-goers. Imagine, if you will, walking into a room full of people. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable if you felt you knew something personal about each and every individual, instead of just walking into a room of strangers who you don't know what to say around?

Threshold · 04-10-2005, 03:16 AM

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On the contrary, I think we gain a substantial amount from these threads.

You're joking, right?

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A better perception of each one's ideas will lead to a more comfortable environment for all the forum-goers.

Right. Nothing like an incessant stream of vitriolic flame wars to create a "comfortable environment."

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Imagine, if you will, walking into a room full of people.

Yes, let us imagine that. In such a room, you don't start up one contentious political issue after another. It is a well known axiom that you do not discuss religion or politics in polite company. You've done both.

These forums are about games- MUDs in particular. Political discussions do not, and have never, brought people together on this or any other forum like it. Such discussions are divisive. That's it. They tear asunder any shread of community that exists around the one thing we all have in common- MUDs.

Frankly, I would support the outright ban of all political discussions as they do nothing but harm the greater purpose of the forums.

At the very least, put them all in one forum and then set that forum to NOT have its threads appear on the main page.

They are not productive. They are harmful, negative, and divisive.

Eagleon · 04-10-2005, 03:11 PM

Eh... It's not the political/religious discussions which tear "communities" apart, it's the people who decide that they have nothing better to do than destroy any shread of peace in any place on the web that they visit. The Schiavo thread is actually currently quite civil, if you didn't notice (oops, that'll end soon now), and there exist -many- flamewars on topics that were originally about MUDs.

I've had many such discussions online with no ill will at the end from anyone. Just because this forum isn't mature enough to handle them, doesn't mean there aren't any out there. I don't argue that it's inevitable that these topics will eventually degenerate into ****ing contests, but if you're going to complain about them, don't point the finger at the subject line.

Threshold · 04-10-2005, 11:53 PM

It is very simple: don't borrow trouble.

There are far, far, far better web sites, blogs, and forums for political discussions.

Ilkidarios · 05-10-2005, 10:15 PM

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Can anyone tell me how this ended up back on the recent discussions list?

the_logos · 10-14-2005, 05:26 PM

And why does it keep moving up on the list without anyone posting to it? It's a very uppity little thread isn't it?

--matt

Valg · 10-14-2005, 05:36 PM

Likely someone voting. Because a Top Mud Sites poll is where I get all my medical ethics information. Thanks for that valuable input, my unseen C. Everett Koop.

Bleh on these threads being bumped. (I'm only posting because it's already "most recent".

Ilkidarios · 10-14-2005, 06:05 PM

Yeah, can we even post polls anymore? Not to keep this on the recent list, just wondering.

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04-06-2005, 05:31 PM	#1
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	This is just like the thread about the Schiavo case, but about stem cell research. The question is: If you were in Congress and a vote was put in for government sanctioned creation of new stem-cell lines, how would you vote?

04-06-2005, 05:38 PM	#2
Valg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 642	Of the six "recent" threads on TMS right now, one is about the pope(), one is about Schiavo, and one is about stem cells. None of these have anything to do with MUDs. Can we agree that there are better places to discuss these topics than TMS? () At one point, that thread did address MUDs, but that part was deleted and a discourse on the pope has taken it over instead. Why the moderators are concerned about deleting tasteless MUD-related topics and ignoring tasteful non-MUD-related topics escapes me. I'd much rather have the former- reading about MUDs is why I come to TMS.

04-07-2005, 04:31 PM	#3
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	It doesn't have to be about MUDs, it's in the Tavern of the Blue Hand. This part of the board is about all stuff not related to MUDs. If you want to talk about MUDs, go start your own topic in one of the areas about MUDs.

04-10-2005, 02:09 AM	#5
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	On the contrary, I think we gain a substantial amount from these threads. We can see everyone's opinions on these things, thus letting us see into their personalities, albeit for a fleeting and small idea. That way we can better understand the ideas of the whole, and individuals around us. A better perception of each one's ideas will lead to a more comfortable environment for all the forum-goers. Imagine, if you will, walking into a room full of people. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable if you felt you knew something personal about each and every individual, instead of just walking into a room of strangers who you don't know what to say around?

04-10-2005, 03:11 PM	#7
Eagleon Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 147	Eh... It's not the political/religious discussions which tear "communities" apart, it's the people who decide that they have nothing better to do than destroy any shread of peace in any place on the web that they visit. The Schiavo thread is actually currently quite civil, if you didn't notice (oops, that'll end soon now), and there exist -many- flamewars on topics that were originally about MUDs. I've had many such discussions online with no ill will at the end from anyone. Just because this forum isn't mature enough to handle them, doesn't mean there aren't any out there. I don't argue that it's inevitable that these topics will eventually degenerate into ****ing contests, but if you're going to complain about them, don't point the finger at the subject line.

04-10-2005, 11:53 PM	#8
Threshold Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Threshold RPG Posts: 729	It is very simple: don't borrow trouble. There are far, far, far better web sites, blogs, and forums for political discussions.

05-10-2005, 10:15 PM	#9
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	[edit] Can anyone tell me how this ended up back on the recent discussions list?

10-14-2005, 05:26 PM	#10
the_logos Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,119	And why does it keep moving up on the list without anyone posting to it? It's a very uppity little thread isn't it? --matt

10-14-2005, 05:36 PM	#11
Valg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 642	Likely someone voting. Because a Top Mud Sites poll is where I get all my medical ethics information. Thanks for that valuable input, my unseen C. Everett Koop. Bleh on these threads being bumped. (I'm only posting because it's already "most recent".

10-14-2005, 06:05 PM	#12
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	Yeah, can we even post polls anymore? Not to keep this on the recent list, just wondering.

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