[Kopribear]

Though it's futile, one last stab at defending myself: I do have a mind of my own. I am not a sock puppet (or any kind of sock, for that matter), nor am I a zombie, or free-will challenged. It's not as though Logos asked me to join the boards just to back him up... he has no idea who I am. He may even be a little weirded out that I'm speaking in his favour... even though it's not just in his favour, if someone else amused me as much then I would state thus. These arguments are stupid, and I think that's what he's trying to get you to see. Arguing on these boards is going to change nothing but the way you feel about yourself, even if that self-esteem comes from cutting other people down and tearing apart what they say word by word.

All of you are so self-righteous that people are afraid to come here and have fun... these boards shouldn't be a threatening place, they should be a place that MUDers can come and meet and talk... yes, a civil term: TALK... about MUDs and the things going on in them.

Nope, I had no idea when I came here what the whole Medievia controversy was about, and for that I apologize. I'm sorry to have interrupted your dead serious 'discussions' with my mindless babbling and 'schizophrenic ramblings'... intelligent people conversing with people trying to defend their own intelligence, even when not under attack, amuse me. I expressed my amusement the way I always do. So if I offended you, I'm sorry. If I ****ed you off, I'm sorry. Get off my case. If you don't like what I say and you think I'm as insignificant as you claim, then just ignore me instead of giving me a reason to reply. I thought you were all advanced, perhaps this method escapes many of you because you like to hear yourselves talk, and get your jollies off of ripping people apart no matter what they say.

Mmhmm, I like attention, just like the rest of you who post, because otherwise you wouldn't be posting, as posting tends to draw attention. Maybe I like it more, sure. And okay, I'm immature, I'll take that. But God forbid anyone list your faults, my friends, or we shall be here all day. Luckily, if this too ****ed you off, I don't care, and neither should you. They're just schizophrenic rantings of a teenage dramaqueen, after all. Have a lovely day, friends.

[Delerak]

I like it.

[WarHound]

I like a person who is willing to ramble off into a good, solid tangent, even if they do play an IRE game. Joking. I could give a ****.

But I can't bide a non-paragrapher... Think about that, or I intend to make your stay here a living ####.

[Kopribear]

*chin* nothing seemed to merit a new paragraph, actually...

[Delerak]

Talk about a run-on sentence! Jazuela taught me about that.

[Jazuela]

A simple sentence consists of a subject, a verb, and a predicate. When a reader must do research in attempt to find each of these three, then you have already lost your reader.

Regarding paragraphs:

A typical paragraph will begin with the point. A brief explanation of the point follows, and a summary of the point will end the paragraph. Often, a paragraph will contain only three sentences; though there is room in the "rules" for variance. If, however, your point is hidden within a "wall of text" and is not easily discernable, then once again you have already lost your reader.

A hundred words strung together with elipses (...) does not a sentence make.

The written English language: love it, embrace it, own it.

[Kopribear]

*gigglefall* I love you...

There, I just paragraphed it... poorly. Oh well, I don't have much time. But is that better?

Also... I like elipses. Obviously... and I don't care what JK Rowling said about elipses being personified writer's block...

... ... ... ...

^_^

[Jazuela]

Much improved. Now I can actually comment on what you said, rather than the existence of the wall of text!

Let's see:

First, kudos for acknowledging that you came into this forum, a veritable noob, and interrupted a rather serious discussion with silly bouncy giggly happy smurf-speak. Kudos for appreciating why it wasn't appreciated.

Second, what the heck is gigglefall? Is that like a waterfall with giggling smurfs falling down from the top? Remember please, this isn't a MUSH or MUD, it's a forum. We don't have a verblist here in this forum. It's always a good idea, if you wish to be taken seriously, to avoid using faux emotes in a public forum (though the occasional <smirk> is always entertaining).

Third, feeding trolls is never a good idea, because you end up dropping to their level and annoying everyone in the process. Some folks here get their jollies by attacking each other. Some attack each other only when they are seriously offended by something. And some prefer to just lurk and be amused and avoid the line of fire.

Bear in mind, the moment you step into the firepit, you become a target. Topmudsites can be brutal that way. If your asbestos suit is at the tailor's for repair, or if you walk into the firepit because you didn't bother to open your eyes and notice it was there, then you've only yourself to blame when the flames start boiling your skin.

It's a fun place here, but what constitutes "fun" is vastly different from many of the muds our members play. Giggling happy bouncy smoochy types usually get trampled. I get my beatings on occasion, and I'm about as anti-giggle as it gets. You learn to either take the beatings, or stay out of heated discussions, or say your piece and bite your tongue and absolutely positively refuse to take the bait when someone attacks your post.

Good luck and welcome to the 7th layer of Suk-krath's fiery pits of h311!

[Ashon]

Originally Posted by Mmhmm, I like attention, just like the rest of you who post, because otherwise you wouldn't be posting, as posting tends to draw attention.

While some of it may be some attention drawing, forums, and the internet are places where ideas can be shared. People who have ideas, or are drawing blanks on Ideas that they are developing want to hear feedback about those ideas. We don't post just to post (well, at least not here I don't).

When your signal to noise ratio is low, you tend to lose respect in a community like this. It may not be nessicarily so, in this forum, but in other forums, signal is good, noise is bad. And as Jazuela noted, a little fluff is okay, a lot is annoying.

Oh, and first impressions mean a lot.

[Delerak]

I wonder what my 1st post was..

[Hardestadt]

One thing you should know Kopribear is that these boards are really not worth visiting if you're not a mud developer. They're extremely newbie unfriendly, particularly if you have a whif of commercial mud player on you.

Heck, these boards aren't even veteran friendly. They're so flamey that the denziens of #### must look on in envy.

-H

[Kopribear]

*whispers* a gigglefall... has nothing to do with smurfs. It's falling down laughing, or giggling in fluff speak. And I apologize for annoying you all with my... 'fluff'... it's just the way I am I suppose.

I'm not a MUD developer... but I still find the discussions interesting and will likely continue to remain here, wanted or unwanted. As for my first impression... whoops. Guess that went out the window ^^;;

[Jeena]

I'm not a mud developer and I can tell you right now I have found these forums to be amazingly entertaining. The amount of energy to flame Medievia could be used as an infinite fuel source to heat the
world!

By the way, I'm new here too. I'm very opinionated when it comes to my mud, balance, and a variety of other things.

Have a nice day. Oh, and watch for me...I'll be here.

[Iluvatar]

Very well said Jaz and I apologize for not applauding that work of art earlier.

Kopribear...you ARE welcome here as is everyone else who is part of the mudding community, noob or not, frequent poster or not. While occasional jibes 'gigglefalls' are certainly fun and entertaining, I think we strive for comments that actually contribute to the overall discussion. Think of reaction before you post is probably a good golden rule.

Welcome to the fray, Jeena.

[dragon master]

Originally Posted by (Jeena @ May 15 2005,00:32) I'm not a mud developer and I can tell you right now I have found these forums to be amazingly entertaining. The amount of energy to flame Medievia could be used as an infinite fuel source to heat the world!

Just as the amount of damage that Mercthievia has done to the mud community could be used as a weapon of mass destruction.

[Ilkidarios]

Originally Posted by (Hardestadt @ May 14 2005,03:14) One thing you should know Kopribear is that these boards are really not worth visiting if you're not a mud developer. They're extremely newbie unfriendly, particularly if you have a whif of commercial mud player on you. Heck, these boards aren't even veteran friendly. They're so flamey that the denziens of #### must look  on in envy. -H

I'm not a MUD developer and I think it's worth coming here. If only to discuss all kinds of things. There is a good exchange of ideas going here and I like to take part in it, even though I may not program the MUDs.

[Kopribear]

Shh, okay, non MUD developers are fine here, too. I'm sure he sees your point after two or three people have said the same thing. It's not worth the argument.

[Jazuela]

I'm not a mud developer either. It's also not much fun telling Hardestadt he's wrong, because he always takes it so well. Tavern of the Blue Hand is the forum category most of us "lesser beings" hang out, but on occasion most of us will take a shot at responding in one of the other categories.

And whether he wants to believe it or not, there's more of us than there are of him. He is outnumbered. Let's just humor him though, hm? Or maybe gigglefall and lol and rotf and stuff on him. Yeah, that'll show him!

[Hardestadt]

Originally Posted by (Jazuela @ May 16 2005,05:26) I'm not a mud developer either. It's also not much fun telling Hardestadt he's wrong, because he always takes it so well. Tavern of the Blue Hand is the forum category most of us "lesser beings" hang out, but on occasion most of us will take a shot at responding in one of the other categories. And whether he wants to believe it or not, there's more of us than there are of him. He is outnumbered. Let's just humor him though, hm? Or maybe gigglefall and lol and rotf and stuff on him. Yeah, that'll show him!

No! Please don't! That'd be worse than reading another dissection of the Diku license. *sob*

-H

[Kopribear]

I must... I cannot contain it... *takes a deep breath*... *gigglefall!*

...*ahem* anyway, 'lol' is a sin against the internet.

[Jeena]

Originally Posted by Just as the amount of damage that Mercthievia has done to the mud community could be used as a weapon of mass destruction.

You really should work on your flaming. I believe the proper slam for Medievia is Medthievia.
By the way...propoganda is not the end all of proof.

Ye without sin..cast the first stone. It's easy to slam someone who's out there...while you hide behind your p2p programs, and your "tolerated" copyright infringed mud backgrounds.
If there's been any damage to the mud community I'd say it came from sniping, nasty jibes from this forum.

[KaVir]

Originally Posted by (Jeena @ May 16 2005,03:03) Originally Posted by Just as the amount of damage that Mercthievia has done to the mud community could be used as a weapon of mass destruction. You really should work on your flaming. I believe the proper slam for Medievia is Medthievia.

Mercthievia is another commonly used name (on account of the fact that Merc is the codebase that was ripped off).

Originally Posted by By the way...propoganda is not the end all of proof.

No, but a statement signed by Vryce under penalty of perjury is pretty compelling.

Originally Posted by Ye without sin..cast the first stone. It's easy to slam someone who's out there...while you hide behind your p2p programs, and your "tolerated" copyright infringed mud backgrounds.

Logical fallacy. The fact that you support illegal and immoral activities does not mean that that everyone else does, and the fact that certain muds have no respect for the work of others does not mean that no muds do.

Originally Posted by If there's been any damage to the mud community I'd say it came from sniping, nasty jibes from this forum.

No, I think it's quite clear where it comes from, and I find it remarkable that you could so mindlessly support a mud which - in the words of one of the original Diku team - "was indeed one of the major reasons i stopped contributing to the community, and found other places to spend my energy"

[Delerak]

I cordially agree with KaVir.

[Kopribear]

STOP IT!

Go flame about Medievia on one of the boards that's already flaming. There's no use making EVERY thread about the same (resolved) issue. Knock it off.

[GuruPlayer]

Whine..Whine... if ya can't do the time...don't do the crime. Don't post or start threads here if you're unhappy with the responses!!

[PhoenixFlare]

Originally Posted by STOP IT! Go flame about Medievia on one of the boards that's already flaming. There's no use making EVERY thread about the same (resolved) issue. Knock it off.

It would seem that no rules are being broken, and people are not going to stop arguing/discussing just because it offends your sensibilities.

It'd be great if everyone always got along all the time, but many other forums on the net are the same way, and especially this forum and this particular subject. If you can't handle that, perhaps you should stop reading the posts here, and spare the futile attempts at nannying.

[Jeena]

My apologies Kopribear. You are quite right of course. Every topic and thread does not have to be about an issue that has already been resolved.

Please do not be too distressed. Tell us what mud you hail from

[Kopribear]

*point signature* to seemingly everyone's distaste, I am from Achaea. It was my first and favourite MUD... and I was quite recently accepted into Armageddon. You guys?

And thank you, GuruPlayer and PhoenixFlare, but I never said I was enforcing the rules, and again if you don't like what I have to say then ignore me as you do what I'm actually saying. Every thread doesn't need to be about Medievia, okay, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to see a few threads of sanctuary that do NOT end up being about that whole situation. Yes, blah blah, if I don't like what the forums say then leave. I'm sure you would like that. But spare me, your conflict is on other threads, not this one. The response to what I originally said had nothing to do with the conflict, either, so it is essentially way off topic and thus I humbly request of you forum lords that you take your argument elsewhere. Thanks ^_^

[Jeena]

I played Achaea for a short bit, but I couldn't ever really get into it. I found myself playing alone a lot. I think I have been spoiled because where I play people are encouraged to do things together by the way zones and experience is set up.
People do solo, of course. But generally it's easier to play in groups.

I have played Medievia for about 6 years. Though, occasionally I'll peek in at other muds to see if anyone has come up with anything that I find engaging.


Before I played Med, I played a game called Mortal Realms. It was around for a long time. I played it for several years until it faded away from admin neglect and etc.

How long have you been mudding.

[Ilkidarios]

Originally Posted by (Kopribear @ May 15 2005,21:39) Go flame about Medievia on one of the boards that's already flaming. There's no use making EVERY thread about the same (resolved) issue.

The issue was NEVER resolved.  Mercthievia is STILL HERE.  Just because you support that *** Mihaly in all of his ideas doesn't mean that we can't discuss issues that go against his doctrines.  If we just stopped fighting, Mercthievia would win.  And that wouldn't be a fitting end.