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LikitaRenn · 08-02-2002, 05:46 PM

ok, i want to apologize for being horrid! and i wanted to ask if i can come back, provided i behave myself... well, behave myself moreso than before at least... i am bored and want to come back! is that alright with you guys?

-likita

Molly · 08-02-2002, 06:11 PM

I never had any problem with you.

Robbert · 08-02-2002, 06:46 PM

If you can post, you don't need to ask if you can come back.

I personally don't want you back. I belief in finality, and the power of repercussions. I didn't like your posts before, I don't like this one, and I will most likely not like yours future posts. Go find a Dragonball:Z MUD and annoy them, instead.

Once you're bored with being 'back', you'll do something self-serving, stupid, and annoying to ease -your- boredom.

I'd rather it be elsewhere than here.

Defiler · 08-02-2002, 07:10 PM

People can change Robbert. It is always worth giving a second chance.

Further than that, I personally feel its always worth giving one final undeserved chance (publically acknowledged as such). If people don't learn after that, you've obtained an overwhelming moral majority.

Shao_Long · 08-03-2002, 08:42 AM

I don't know if

Quote:

Originally Posted by

People can change Robbert.

But I'm sure that people can change, Robbert

RavenDM · 08-03-2002, 03:17 PM

Wow... meta-spam.

Wenlin · 08-03-2002, 04:03 PM

Hey look, its a dog, eating chicken!

RUN AWAY! ITS A DOG-EATING CHICKEN!

Orion Elder · 08-03-2002, 09:26 PM

MOST won't mind your coming back as long as you adhere to the rules in place... however, if the above is what your 'coming back' causes, then I think most would be just as happy for you to stay gone.

Feel free to stay and post, so long as you adhere to the rules of this forum.

Quicksilver · 08-04-2002, 04:09 AM

LikitaRenn wrote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by

ok, i want to apologize for being horrid! and i wanted to ask if i can come back, provided i behave myself... well,
behave myself moreso than before at least... i am bored and want to come back! is that alright with you guys?

To bring this further in line with MU*s (and not as any kind of reference to any behaviour on this forum) I'd like to use Likita's post for some opinions.
We've had a few players who got banned for behaviour problems on our mud, and then after a couple weeks (months, days, depends on the player) they would e-mail us, or go on a friend's account and pose the same plea Likita posted above. (Content varied slightly, but all had the same general qualities. At least one claimed that we could always ban him again if he didn't behave.)
At what point does one say enough? We firmly believe in giving people a second chance, but in some of these cases we gave the supposedly sincere ones 4th, 5th, 6th, etc., chances, only to get this same kind of note when they got bored elsewhere.
When do you draw the line on letting them back? Does permbanning justify NEVER letting them come back? Short of them hacking the server, how does one decide whom should not be accepted at face value?
When does "I'm sorry! I'll never do it again. Can I come back? Puh-LEEEASSSSSSSSSSE??"
stop being accepted as being penitent enough to allow them back?
Lenient? Draconian? Case by Case basis? Based off the player and what they do? Based off the player and what they did LAST time? Based off how many people you think might quit if they find out the person is coming back?
All of the above?
I would like to hear how other administrators handle this situation in a mud on a general basis.
--QS

08-04-2002, 12:34 PM

Well, there simply is no easy way to deal with people, considering you have to deal with each case seperately and pass judgement accordingly in a responsible way. This will take allot of time, especially if you are going to hear out both sides on a particular case (which you will do if you're going to be fair to both parties) and investigate things. Of course there are several more factors which shoudl weigh in your judgement to allow people to come back.

Severity:
What happened anyways? Was it a simple mistake or a minor offense? For example, carrying around a duplicated item while never proven that person duplicated it, is something else then another person who did a full-fledged DDoS against the MUD server.

Personality:
Was the person dealth with a calm, kind and generally honest person in your own AND OTHER opinions? Or was he abusive, already bordering on the edge of being banned for quite some time? If it's the latter, it'd be better to give that person a few months to cool off and to get the idea through to them.

Timespan:
Of course you shouldn't be too bitter about something that happened more then a year back. People change, both you and the player. Give that person a chance after a lengthy period and keep a close eye on said person. When someone emails you after a day or less though, it's an entirely different matter.

Of course, above all, use your common sense and judge fairly on people. There are loads more criteria besides the few I listed.

Mason · 08-04-2002, 12:57 PM

Well,

I can tell you that I stopped paying attention to this place a few months ago because of how silly the boards had become. It is only recently that I have started to view them again. I have also noted that many of the other people who I felt actually contributed something haven't posted in a while either. If people come back and behave, it doesn't bother me. But, if TMS degenerates into what it was not too long ago, I doubt I would come back.

I also IMP on a mud, and when I ban someone, I usually leave them banned for quite a long time. It is very unlikely that they would convince me to unban them.

Robbert · 08-04-2002, 01:04 PM

I firmly believe in reaping the consequences of ones actions. The degeneration of public opinion for the initiator of this thread, and for others of this one's ilk, was a slow and discernible process. The initial poster planted the fruit, and grew the fruit, and reaped the fruit.

Now they say the fruit is bitter, and that they would like a new field in which to plant.

The very fact that they are posting a question with as little substance as "can I come back and post" should show you that they have learned nothing. I have read nothing of substance from this poster, and doubt I ever will. In 400+ posts of Shao Long, I have only seen one which was even relatively worth reading, and that was the play on words posted on this very thread. I expect the same return to investment ratio with the initator of this thread.

I'll not respond further to this thread. I believe that one should suffer the consequences of ones actions, and am not a very forgiving person. When I ban an ISP on the game for which I program, I ban it permanently. If another user of that ISP manages to get the ISP to contact me and that ISP can reassure me that there will be no further problems from the individual in question, I will relent the ban.

I say, delete the profile of the intiator of this thread. Let them create a new persona if they want, but no rewards should be reaped for the drivel they posted in the past - even if that 'reward' is as surreal as a worthless number reflecting how many posts they have made.

There should be finality to more than death.

08-04-2002, 01:20 PM

YOU! The one with the muppet avatar! This is the TMSPD! Put down your bittercookies and come out with your hands up!

Just kidding you

Seriously though, why be mad at Likita? Both your posts in this thread don't come across very forgiving, which is entirely up to you to decide wether you ar going to forget whatever she did in the past or not. But, do realize that this is just a small forum. There's no reason to remember every little detail everyone did, most people on here just come here because of their hobby and the fascination with muds, not to pick on eachother.

Okay, so maybe she did do some things in the past. It's the past now, can't we just forget it all and be friends instead? Maybe this Likita is a wonderful person once you get to know her a bit better by being less distant towards her? Maybe she isn't but what's can lose on it? Nothing. What can you gain on it? A friend. Sounds like a worthwhile risk to me...

Mason · 08-04-2002, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (LikitaRenn @ Aug. 02 2002,5:46 pm)

ok, i want to apologize for being horrid! and i wanted to ask if i can come back, provided i behave myself... well, behave myself moreso than before at least... i am bored and want to come back! is that alright with you guys?

-likita

I would also note that she only offers to behave herself "moreso than before at least" She is qualifying her willingness to conform the the rules and expected ettiquette. It is as if she is saying, "I still won't follow the rules, but I'll be better than before."

Is this really all that is needed to be accepted back at TMS? Is TMS so concerned about volume that it doesn't even care if it's signal or noise?

I was one of the people who argued with likita/shao/etc during their race for 1000 posts. I recall very little willingness on their part to even consider the wishes of other posters. Why then, should we extend a consideration to her that was never offered to us?

08-04-2002, 01:54 PM

Why is everyone so bitter towards Likita? I'm really quite amazed. I regged an account and browse around a bit only to find this. Does Likita really deserve all this negativity from you people? Is the thing which she had done so bad that it's justifiable to be mad about even months afterwards?

I think it's not.

Remember:

"An eye for an eye and the whole world is blind."

LikitaRenn · 08-04-2002, 01:58 PM

ok, the "more so than before" part was MEANT to be a joke... and the one thing most people seem to be forgetting is that i WASN'T banned or kicked out, i left because people couldn't give up the flames, and i didn't want to deal with it... since then, i've not only missed TMS, and some of the people here, i've also realized that a lot of the flaming was brought on by me, even if it did get way out of hand. i wanted to come back, and be a better poster, but i figured i should ask if you guys would mind too terribly much, out of respect... and i don't see the crime in asking for forgiveness for something stupid that i did quite a while ago... as long as i really mean it when i say sorry, and i do...

-likita

Shao_Long · 08-04-2002, 02:05 PM

Ok, what about you all stop posting your so-hated meaningless posts and just sit back and watch, *how* will Likita behave ? You're starting another flame war, arent you, eh ?..

and if my post number is bothering you so much - well, im trying to reg a new account, if its what will make you happy..

Mason · 08-04-2002, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Shao_Long @ Aug. 04 2002,2:05 pm)

and if my post number is bothering you so much - well, im trying to reg a new account, if its what will make you happy..

Shao:
I prefer you leave altogether. However, if you insist on staying, I prefer you keep this account, so everyone can see why no one pays any attention to you. Besides, your grammar and spelling skills will make your new account immediately recognizable.

Ingham:
I have no hatred towards likita. But, people like her turned this from an informative, sometimes interesting discussion about gaming into a flame war. I, as well as many substantive contributers, left because of this. So now, I'm supposed to welcome her back with open arms just because she is "bored" elsewhere?

Likita:
If you were serious about apologizing and asking to come back, why lace your request with the "moreso than before" qualifier? Either as a joke or as a flippant remark, it demonstrates a lack of sincerity.

Shao_Long · 08-04-2002, 03:29 PM

seen a nice little post named 'flames', Mason ?...

speaking of 'people recognizing me' - ive never even thought about hiding myself, and speaking of my... unjoust.. number of posts - werent at least half of them flames, flamed completely in defence against some people here ?..

Orion Elder · 08-04-2002, 07:35 PM

Well, I suppose it was only a matter of time. LikitaRenn speaks up, asking to come back and claiming she'll be 'better than before,' then the spam wars start again.\

I stopped posting, though not reading, a while back, simply because the forums lost any semblance of a real resource for MUDders the day the spam started. Recently a few good posts have come about... then this garbage.

LikitaRenn
--=--=--=--=--=--
Come back if you like. If this is what you bring along with you, though, I doubt you'll ever be welcomed with open arms... instead I find it highly likely you'll be chased off with closed fists.

Ingham
--=--=--=--=--=--
You've shown yourself to be a bigot, a racist, an idiot, and a person worthy of any contempt and hatred you garner. Your opinions are worth about as much as the dung stuck to my bootheel.

Shao
--=--=--=--=--=--
You seemed to disappear from the spam, and then you come back to do this...

You've all been at least given a second chance... some more than that. I suggest you don't ruin them.

Good day to you all.

Ntanel · 08-04-2002, 07:53 PM

I agree with Orion. You three are only the most recent of spammers. No one really cares why you do it, just the fact you do and need to stop. Although racism, sexism and general hate does not warrant a return in my mind, no one needs to be around that.

Like Orion, short of replying to discussion envolving Orion and Brody, myself and others become discouraged with the direction of many of the conversations and short of reading what is there, do nothing more and possibly limit thier viewing of this site entirely.

Spamming discourages new viewers and then turns a site into a flaming, spiraling heap falling into Hell. I would rather just utilize the forums at MudWorld since there is some actual control there. Abusers should apologize to Synozeer and the forum managers for making thier jobs so much harder!

Samson · 08-04-2002, 07:56 PM

This all sounds so familiar. Someone does something to rile everyone up, drive them away, and then they want to come back a few months later like nothing happened. I stopped lurking here around that time precisely because of all the spam that was being generated. These guys left, and everything became nice and pleasant and peaceful again. Now they show up, and are immediately tossing around accusations of flaming and stuff. If this is how it's going to be again, I'll just leave and go hang out on Mudplanet or my own forums. At least there I won't have to put up with spammers.

On a related note to the other topic about giving "banned" players a second, third, foruth, etc chance, I say if you gave them a second chance and they came back and were playing by the rules etc, cool. But if they come back and violat the rules, cause trouble, whatever, then they should get tossed out never to return. Actions have consequences and it seems today's generation just refuses to accept this.

I had a similar situation with a client of mine. He signed up for hosting service a few months ago, and every month he'd be a little bit later and later with his payment. Every month I'd threaten to cancel him, or even go so far as to lockout his account. He'd then send his money in. This time around, he's over a month late, never responds to the emails, so I finally had enough and cancelled him and purged his account. I was far too lenient with him it seems. He now expects me, after more than a month, to reinstate him and act like nothing happened. Well, I'm sorry, but this time is the last time. I can't be dealing with his kind of stress.

So Shao, Likita, whoever else it was, if you're here to post, post. But keep it civil, lose the spam, and perhaps you'll be forgiven. Keep spamming, flaming, ****ing people off, and you'll probably find everyone wants to permban you. It's your call.

08-04-2002, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Orion Elder @ Aug. 04 2002,7:35 pm)

Ingham
--=--=--=--=--=--
You've shown yourself to be a bigot, a racist, an idiot, and a person worthy of any contempt and hatred you garner. Your opinions are worth about as much as the dung stuck to my bootheel.

If you judge people merely by words typed out in an online forum, how on earth do you expect others to interpret this? The very least one can do is show some respect and resort to the past when nescesarry. I don't recall insulting anyone on here lately, nor do I recall spamming the forums.

Your post is clearly hypocritic, calling me names and worthy of hatred, while I am clearly not the offending party here. Your hatred and biased views of other are wrong Orion. By saying those things you yourself aren't better then what you are saying I am.

Now, if we can get past the childish "I'm not going to like you and never will!" bits, I'm very much willing to initiate an PM/Email dialogue that would stop this silliness. Just take these online forums less serious. These forums are not worth the hate and bile that's being thrown back and forth.

Orion Elder · 08-05-2002, 12:58 AM

You tried to give advice on how to be 'brotherly' to others. I simply wanted to point out how absolutely ASININE that is, considering the source.

As for judging you... online forum... text based... judging you by your words... yeah, seems about right to me. COME ON! How the hell do you expect me to judge you? The only way to judge someone online is by their actions... you've shown yourself to be a spammer, a racist, a bigot, and an idiot. I have no respect for you, or anything you have to say on the subject of 'what is and isn't nice.'

The hypocrit calling someone a hypocrit, again is quite asinine. If you'd like to be a useful and contributing member, feel free. If you only came back to be a waste of space and start more arguments, I'm sure we'd all rather see you gone.

As for my statements, I stated the truth, pure and simple. A racist, bigotted, spamming, idiotic person has no right to be preaching to anyone about what is or is not right. Once you learn that, we'll all be able to get a long a bit better.

08-05-2002, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Orion Elder @ Aug. 05 2002,12:58 am)

You tried to give advice on how to be 'brotherly' to others. I simply wanted to point out how absolutely ASININE that is, considering the source.

As for judging you... online forum... text based... judging you by your words... yeah, seems about right to me. COME ON! How the hell do you expect me to judge you? The only way to judge someone online is by their actions... you've shown yourself to be a spammer, a racist, a bigot, and an idiot. I have no respect for you, or anything you have to say on the subject of 'what is and isn't nice.'

The hypocrit calling someone a hypocrit, again is quite asinine. If you'd like to be a useful and contributing member, feel free. If you only came back to be a waste of space and start more arguments, I'm sure we'd all rather see you gone.

As for my statements, I stated the truth, pure and simple. A racist, bigotted, spamming, idiotic person has no right to be preaching to anyone about what is or is not right. Once you learn that, we'll all be able to get a long a bit better.

Simple, empty words from an unknown person who does not know me one bit do not hurt me, nor affect me nor make me think twice. I'll just ignore you and your insults from now on.

However you feel like talking to me in a reasonable way without namecalling, feel free to message me and I'm sure that if we both behave our ages we can get this silly thing over with.

Dulan · 08-06-2002, 02:18 PM

Mmm.

Glancing at this thread, I figure I might as well chip in with my 2 cents. I've refrained from commenting untill now.

Ingham: You, sir, are a twink. Now, go to wherever it is that twinks go, and leave us who do not spam be.

Shao: You are a spammer. You still remain a spammer (You have more then twice the posts of the most-posting non-spammer of the boards) even after all this time. You, as well, are a twink. Leave us be, for all that is good and holy in this world.

Likita: I agree entirely with Robbert. See my comments on Shao - just because you took a "time-out" and promise to obey the rules a bit better this time around does not mean that most of us will want to see your face.

Personally, I think all 3 of you should leave these boards for eternity if you are not going to bother to straighten up. You act like small children, for crissake. Take a cue from Seth - leave the contributors be, and go find a BB that actually wants your spammage crap. This community does not want your spam.

-D

Shao_Long · 08-06-2002, 02:29 PM

mm... 'sir' Dulan.. you call me a 'spammer' ..
now, maybe I was, maybe I wasnt.. but, show me any of my 'spam' which's more recent then a month or two ?.. well, good luck looking for it, it shoulda take you some time, I think...

Brianna · 08-06-2002, 02:55 PM

I rarely post in FLAME-like threads such as this... but I feel compelled to do so this time.

If you read the entire thread as I just did. You ALL are flaming each other. A reasonable question was asked and it became a flame thread yet again.

I am finding less and less enjoyment from these threads when even the moderators joins in the fray and resorts to Flames in the thread.

Maybe, you all should sit back and take a deep breath and get on with life. Orion, letting these guys get under your skins makes you about as immature as you are claiming they are. As a poster in these forums who only posts when I have something worthwhile to contribute, I find the actions of all you pitiful.

Just my opinion, but life is too short to keep this crap up.

Molly · 08-06-2002, 07:59 PM

Brianna is dead right, it seems most posters are taking Likitha's rather innocent post as an excuse to flame her and each other. Pretty much the same thing that happened last time too, as far as I can remember.

And another thing; is it really polite to Synozer to use this thread as an excuse for promoting other Discussion Forums, like a couple of posters did?

Mason · 08-06-2002, 10:47 PM

On the contrary, I do not think I flamed anyone. I merely said it was people such as likita who drove me, and many other people, away from TMS because of how spammy and utterly-without-content the boards became. Only recently have we have more content than spam, and should the spam outweight the content again, I think TMS would lose more posters than before.

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08-02-2002, 05:46 PM	#1
LikitaRenn Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: portland, oregon, usa Posts: 138	ok, i want to apologize for being horrid! and i wanted to ask if i can come back, provided i behave myself... well, behave myself moreso than before at least... i am bored and want to come back! is that alright with you guys? -likita

08-02-2002, 06:11 PM	#2
Molly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Home MUD: 4 Dimensions Posts: 523	I never had any problem with you.

08-02-2002, 06:46 PM	#3
Robbert Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: #### Paso, Tx Posts: 89	If you can post, you don't need to ask if you can come back. I personally don't want you back. I belief in finality, and the power of repercussions. I didn't like your posts before, I don't like this one, and I will most likely not like yours future posts. Go find a Dragonball:Z MUD and annoy them, instead. Once you're bored with being 'back', you'll do something self-serving, stupid, and annoying to ease -your- boredom. I'd rather it be elsewhere than here.

08-02-2002, 07:10 PM	#4
Defiler New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1	People can change Robbert. It is always worth giving a second chance. Further than that, I personally feel its always worth giving one final undeserved chance (publically acknowledged as such). If people don't learn after that, you've obtained an overwhelming moral majority.

08-03-2002, 03:17 PM	#6
RavenDM New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 17	Wow... meta-spam.

08-03-2002, 04:03 PM	#7
Wenlin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TopMudSites Posts: 315	Hey look, its a dog, eating chicken! RUN AWAY! ITS A DOG-EATING CHICKEN!

08-03-2002, 09:26 PM	#8
Orion Elder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 346	MOST won't mind your coming back as long as you adhere to the rules in place... however, if the above is what your 'coming back' causes, then I think most would be just as happy for you to stay gone. Feel free to stay and post, so long as you adhere to the rules of this forum.

08-04-2002, 12:34 PM	#10
Ingham Posts: n/a	Well, there simply is no easy way to deal with people, considering you have to deal with each case seperately and pass judgement accordingly in a responsible way. This will take allot of time, especially if you are going to hear out both sides on a particular case (which you will do if you're going to be fair to both parties) and investigate things. Of course there are several more factors which shoudl weigh in your judgement to allow people to come back. Severity: What happened anyways? Was it a simple mistake or a minor offense? For example, carrying around a duplicated item while never proven that person duplicated it, is something else then another person who did a full-fledged DDoS against the MUD server. Personality: Was the person dealth with a calm, kind and generally honest person in your own AND OTHER opinions? Or was he abusive, already bordering on the edge of being banned for quite some time? If it's the latter, it'd be better to give that person a few months to cool off and to get the idea through to them. Timespan: Of course you shouldn't be too bitter about something that happened more then a year back. People change, both you and the player. Give that person a chance after a lengthy period and keep a close eye on said person. When someone emails you after a day or less though, it's an entirely different matter. Of course, above all, use your common sense and judge fairly on people. There are loads more criteria besides the few I listed.

08-04-2002, 12:57 PM	#11
Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 158	Well, I can tell you that I stopped paying attention to this place a few months ago because of how silly the boards had become. It is only recently that I have started to view them again. I have also noted that many of the other people who I felt actually contributed something haven't posted in a while either. If people come back and behave, it doesn't bother me. But, if TMS degenerates into what it was not too long ago, I doubt I would come back. I also IMP on a mud, and when I ban someone, I usually leave them banned for quite a long time. It is very unlikely that they would convince me to unban them.

08-04-2002, 01:04 PM	#12
Robbert Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: #### Paso, Tx Posts: 89	I firmly believe in reaping the consequences of ones actions. The degeneration of public opinion for the initiator of this thread, and for others of this one's ilk, was a slow and discernible process. The initial poster planted the fruit, and grew the fruit, and reaped the fruit. Now they say the fruit is bitter, and that they would like a new field in which to plant. The very fact that they are posting a question with as little substance as "can I come back and post" should show you that they have learned nothing. I have read nothing of substance from this poster, and doubt I ever will. In 400+ posts of Shao Long, I have only seen one which was even relatively worth reading, and that was the play on words posted on this very thread. I expect the same return to investment ratio with the initator of this thread. I'll not respond further to this thread. I believe that one should suffer the consequences of ones actions, and am not a very forgiving person. When I ban an ISP on the game for which I program, I ban it permanently. If another user of that ISP manages to get the ISP to contact me and that ISP can reassure me that there will be no further problems from the individual in question, I will relent the ban. I say, delete the profile of the intiator of this thread. Let them create a new persona if they want, but no rewards should be reaped for the drivel they posted in the past - even if that 'reward' is as surreal as a worthless number reflecting how many posts they have made. There should be finality to more than death.

08-04-2002, 01:20 PM	#13
Ingham Posts: n/a	YOU! The one with the muppet avatar! This is the TMSPD! Put down your bittercookies and come out with your hands up! Just kidding you Seriously though, why be mad at Likita? Both your posts in this thread don't come across very forgiving, which is entirely up to you to decide wether you ar going to forget whatever she did in the past or not. But, do realize that this is just a small forum. There's no reason to remember every little detail everyone did, most people on here just come here because of their hobby and the fascination with muds, not to pick on eachother. Okay, so maybe she did do some things in the past. It's the past now, can't we just forget it all and be friends instead? Maybe this Likita is a wonderful person once you get to know her a bit better by being less distant towards her? Maybe she isn't but what's can lose on it? Nothing. What can you gain on it? A friend. Sounds like a worthwhile risk to me...

08-04-2002, 01:54 PM	#15
Ingham Posts: n/a	Why is everyone so bitter towards Likita? I'm really quite amazed. I regged an account and browse around a bit only to find this. Does Likita really deserve all this negativity from you people? Is the thing which she had done so bad that it's justifiable to be mad about even months afterwards? I think it's not. Remember: "An eye for an eye and the whole world is blind."

08-04-2002, 01:58 PM	#16
LikitaRenn Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: portland, oregon, usa Posts: 138	ok, the "more so than before" part was MEANT to be a joke... and the one thing most people seem to be forgetting is that i WASN'T banned or kicked out, i left because people couldn't give up the flames, and i didn't want to deal with it... since then, i've not only missed TMS, and some of the people here, i've also realized that a lot of the flaming was brought on by me, even if it did get way out of hand. i wanted to come back, and be a better poster, but i figured i should ask if you guys would mind too terribly much, out of respect... and i don't see the crime in asking for forgiveness for something stupid that i did quite a while ago... as long as i really mean it when i say sorry, and i do... -likita

08-04-2002, 02:05 PM	#17
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	Ok, what about you all stop posting your so-hated meaningless posts and just sit back and watch, how will Likita behave ? You're starting another flame war, arent you, eh ?.. and if my post number is bothering you so much - well, im trying to reg a new account, if its what will make you happy..

08-04-2002, 03:29 PM	#19
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	seen a nice little post named 'flames', Mason ?... speaking of 'people recognizing me' - ive never even thought about hiding myself, and speaking of my... unjoust.. number of posts - werent at least half of them flames, flamed completely in defence against some people here ?..

08-04-2002, 07:35 PM	#20
Orion Elder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 346	Well, I suppose it was only a matter of time. LikitaRenn speaks up, asking to come back and claiming she'll be 'better than before,' then the spam wars start again.\ I stopped posting, though not reading, a while back, simply because the forums lost any semblance of a real resource for MUDders the day the spam started. Recently a few good posts have come about... then this garbage. LikitaRenn --=--=--=--=--=-- Come back if you like. If this is what you bring along with you, though, I doubt you'll ever be welcomed with open arms... instead I find it highly likely you'll be chased off with closed fists. Ingham --=--=--=--=--=-- You've shown yourself to be a bigot, a racist, an idiot, and a person worthy of any contempt and hatred you garner. Your opinions are worth about as much as the dung stuck to my bootheel. Shao --=--=--=--=--=-- You seemed to disappear from the spam, and then you come back to do this... You've all been at least given a second chance... some more than that. I suggest you don't ruin them. Good day to you all.

08-04-2002, 07:53 PM	#21
Ntanel Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: North America Posts: 162	I agree with Orion. You three are only the most recent of spammers. No one really cares why you do it, just the fact you do and need to stop. Although racism, sexism and general hate does not warrant a return in my mind, no one needs to be around that. Like Orion, short of replying to discussion envolving Orion and Brody, myself and others become discouraged with the direction of many of the conversations and short of reading what is there, do nothing more and possibly limit thier viewing of this site entirely. Spamming discourages new viewers and then turns a site into a flaming, spiraling heap falling into Hell. I would rather just utilize the forums at MudWorld since there is some actual control there. Abusers should apologize to Synozeer and the forum managers for making thier jobs so much harder!

08-04-2002, 07:56 PM	#22
Samson Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United Socialist States of America Home MUD: SmaugMuds.org Home MUD: Arthmoor MUD Hosting Posts: 249	This all sounds so familiar. Someone does something to rile everyone up, drive them away, and then they want to come back a few months later like nothing happened. I stopped lurking here around that time precisely because of all the spam that was being generated. These guys left, and everything became nice and pleasant and peaceful again. Now they show up, and are immediately tossing around accusations of flaming and stuff. If this is how it's going to be again, I'll just leave and go hang out on Mudplanet or my own forums. At least there I won't have to put up with spammers. On a related note to the other topic about giving "banned" players a second, third, foruth, etc chance, I say if you gave them a second chance and they came back and were playing by the rules etc, cool. But if they come back and violat the rules, cause trouble, whatever, then they should get tossed out never to return. Actions have consequences and it seems today's generation just refuses to accept this. I had a similar situation with a client of mine. He signed up for hosting service a few months ago, and every month he'd be a little bit later and later with his payment. Every month I'd threaten to cancel him, or even go so far as to lockout his account. He'd then send his money in. This time around, he's over a month late, never responds to the emails, so I finally had enough and cancelled him and purged his account. I was far too lenient with him it seems. He now expects me, after more than a month, to reinstate him and act like nothing happened. Well, I'm sorry, but this time is the last time. I can't be dealing with his kind of stress. So Shao, Likita, whoever else it was, if you're here to post, post. But keep it civil, lose the spam, and perhaps you'll be forgiven. Keep spamming, flaming, ****ing people off, and you'll probably find everyone wants to permban you. It's your call.

08-05-2002, 12:58 AM	#24
Orion Elder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 346	You tried to give advice on how to be 'brotherly' to others. I simply wanted to point out how absolutely ASININE that is, considering the source. As for judging you... online forum... text based... judging you by your words... yeah, seems about right to me. COME ON! How the hell do you expect me to judge you? The only way to judge someone online is by their actions... you've shown yourself to be a spammer, a racist, a bigot, and an idiot. I have no respect for you, or anything you have to say on the subject of 'what is and isn't nice.' The hypocrit calling someone a hypocrit, again is quite asinine. If you'd like to be a useful and contributing member, feel free. If you only came back to be a waste of space and start more arguments, I'm sure we'd all rather see you gone. As for my statements, I stated the truth, pure and simple. A racist, bigotted, spamming, idiotic person has no right to be preaching to anyone about what is or is not right. Once you learn that, we'll all be able to get a long a bit better.

08-06-2002, 02:18 PM	#26
Dulan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 354	Mmm. Glancing at this thread, I figure I might as well chip in with my 2 cents. I've refrained from commenting untill now. Ingham: You, sir, are a twink. Now, go to wherever it is that twinks go, and leave us who do not spam be. Shao: You are a spammer. You still remain a spammer (You have more then twice the posts of the most-posting non-spammer of the boards) even after all this time. You, as well, are a twink. Leave us be, for all that is good and holy in this world. Likita: I agree entirely with Robbert. See my comments on Shao - just because you took a "time-out" and promise to obey the rules a bit better this time around does not mean that most of us will want to see your face. Personally, I think all 3 of you should leave these boards for eternity if you are not going to bother to straighten up. You act like small children, for crissake. Take a cue from Seth - leave the contributors be, and go find a BB that actually wants your spammage crap. This community does not want your spam. -D

08-06-2002, 02:29 PM	#27
Shao_Long Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: belfast, UK Posts: 505	mm... 'sir' Dulan.. you call me a 'spammer' .. now, maybe I was, maybe I wasnt.. but, show me any of my 'spam' which's more recent then a month or two ?.. well, good luck looking for it, it shoulda take you some time, I think...

08-06-2002, 02:55 PM	#28
Brianna Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bel Air, MD USA Posts: 81	I rarely post in FLAME-like threads such as this... but I feel compelled to do so this time. If you read the entire thread as I just did. You ALL are flaming each other. A reasonable question was asked and it became a flame thread yet again. I am finding less and less enjoyment from these threads when even the moderators joins in the fray and resorts to Flames in the thread. Maybe, you all should sit back and take a deep breath and get on with life. Orion, letting these guys get under your skins makes you about as immature as you are claiming they are. As a poster in these forums who only posts when I have something worthwhile to contribute, I find the actions of all you pitiful. Just my opinion, but life is too short to keep this crap up.

08-06-2002, 07:59 PM	#29
Molly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Home MUD: 4 Dimensions Posts: 523	Brianna is dead right, it seems most posters are taking Likitha's rather innocent post as an excuse to flame her and each other. Pretty much the same thing that happened last time too, as far as I can remember. And another thing; is it really polite to Synozer to use this thread as an excuse for promoting other Discussion Forums, like a couple of posters did?

08-06-2002, 10:47 PM	#30
Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 158	On the contrary, I do not think I flamed anyone. I merely said it was people such as likita who drove me, and many other people, away from TMS because of how spammy and utterly-without-content the boards became. Only recently have we have more content than spam, and should the spam outweight the content again, I think TMS would lose more posters than before.