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Ilkidarios · 03-28-2006, 03:36 PM

Can you guys just start a new topic on this? I mean, call it "Aardwolf" or something, it's just sort of ruining this one.

And I don't normally agree with Matt, I think it's time we got back on topic. I probably shouldn't have said that, though, because now I've just opened myself to some flames.

Anitra · 03-28-2006, 04:08 PM

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Why don't you just log in? Aardwolfmud.org. I realize it's more fun to try to derail a conversation by attacking me, but come on: Basic fact checking is not beyond you. And of course, as Hadoryu pointed out, Aardwolf already posted that they sell stuff, in this very thread.

nhl · 03-28-2006, 04:20 PM

This is totally offtopic to this post, but nonetheless.

To my understanding, the DIKU license has never been held up in a court. I am no expert on US contractual laws, but I do know that in many other parts of the world (including many EU countries), the license as such would not hold up in a case versus a MUD operator who charges for the game.

One of the stepping stones is the very first clause of the rules section which states that "[the MUD operator] may under no circumstance make profit on any part of DikuMUD in any possible way", at which point the MUD operator has an easy claim that it is not the DikuMUD that is being paid for, but the content running on it. Furthermore, the Diku authors weaken their own license by giving explicit examples ("you may not charge $5 for sending a copy of DikuMUD") which indicates that the license has been written to cover only the DikuMUD engine, not the content running on it.

There are other pitfalls in the Diku license too, but the bottom line is that just because it's a fancy document, does not mean that it is legally binding (most EULA's for example, are not legally binding in many EU nations). Whether it is ethical to disobey the license, is an entirely other matter.

Soleil · 03-28-2006, 04:23 PM

Our lawyers have looked at the license and say that there is absolutely no way it would hold up in court. They also said that it would most likely be thrown out as frivilous and/or we could counter-sue for damages done to us.

Splork · 03-28-2006, 04:36 PM

Whether it is binding or not really isn't the point, especially to the 500+ muds who follow the license regardless. There is such a thing as the spirit of the law...

Which brings me to, where is the moderator now? The last two pages of this thread are off topic but it seems alright as long as Matt isn't the one being attacked...

the_logos · 03-28-2006, 04:39 PM

I'm going to close this thread. Certain posters insist on attacking other people or MUDs in it, and that has nothing to do with the thread subject. The original question by the thread starter has been answered. Attacks on Aardwolf just derail the thread.

(Sorry Splork, but I do have other things to do. I can't check here for posts every 2 minutes.)
--matt

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03-28-2006, 03:36 PM	#31
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	Can you guys just start a new topic on this? I mean, call it "Aardwolf" or something, it's just sort of ruining this one. And I don't normally agree with Matt, I think it's time we got back on topic. I probably shouldn't have said that, though, because now I've just opened myself to some flames.

03-28-2006, 04:20 PM	#33
nhl Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37	This is totally offtopic to this post, but nonetheless. To my understanding, the DIKU license has never been held up in a court. I am no expert on US contractual laws, but I do know that in many other parts of the world (including many EU countries), the license as such would not hold up in a case versus a MUD operator who charges for the game. One of the stepping stones is the very first clause of the rules section which states that "[the MUD operator] may under no circumstance make profit on any part of DikuMUD in any possible way", at which point the MUD operator has an easy claim that it is not the DikuMUD that is being paid for, but the content running on it. Furthermore, the Diku authors weaken their own license by giving explicit examples ("you may not charge $5 for sending a copy of DikuMUD") which indicates that the license has been written to cover only the DikuMUD engine, not the content running on it. There are other pitfalls in the Diku license too, but the bottom line is that just because it's a fancy document, does not mean that it is legally binding (most EULA's for example, are not legally binding in many EU nations). Whether it is ethical to disobey the license, is an entirely other matter.

03-28-2006, 04:23 PM	#34
Soleil Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147	Our lawyers have looked at the license and say that there is absolutely no way it would hold up in court. They also said that it would most likely be thrown out as frivilous and/or we could counter-sue for damages done to us.

03-28-2006, 04:36 PM	#35
Splork New Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 25	Whether it is binding or not really isn't the point, especially to the 500+ muds who follow the license regardless. There is such a thing as the spirit of the law... Which brings me to, where is the moderator now? The last two pages of this thread are off topic but it seems alright as long as Matt isn't the one being attacked...

03-28-2006, 04:39 PM	#36
the_logos Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,119	I'm going to close this thread. Certain posters insist on attacking other people or MUDs in it, and that has nothing to do with the thread subject. The original question by the thread starter has been answered. Attacks on Aardwolf just derail the thread. (Sorry Splork, but I do have other things to do. I can't check here for posts every 2 minutes.) --matt

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