[Daedroth]

So thats how you get rid of ADD kids....

[viggs]

Wow, It took me parts of three days to read all the posts on this subject.
Let me start out by saying I am nobody, I do not know law. or licensing or spelling or proper ways to construct a post.
I am a mudder. Ive mudded for atleast 7yrs now. I do not own or IMP or IMM any mud past or present . I am a player.
Let me say first of all ive never played Medival or whatever , I wouldnt pay to play. I play a mud that had its code stolen is as close As I can get to knowing anything about any of this.
The only reason I even came here was to vote for the mud that I play (shameless plug) Abandoned Realms.
Then I started read all of this. Here are my insignificat comments
I stopped reading Logos posts about half way thru because I found him very hard to read without wanting to reach thru my moniter and slap the smirk off his face.
As soon as I read that Soilie or whatever was married to Vyrce I stopped reading hers as well. When someone as full of S*** as her doenst know or want to say what her Husband and BOSS is or is not doing ,.In my world thats a liar.
If Its obvious to me that Medivial is stolen . then its stolen, Walks like a duck Quacks like a duck etc etc.
I do wonder why its allowed to advertise here and not just about any other voting sites though. Easy enough to guess . Money.
Why wouldnt they just say Ok Fine we all know its Diku put and put the credits back. Once again ., Money ,
Lastly i would like to appoligize for all my spelling ,grammer and strutual errors of this post and thank anyone that got this far into my post.

Did I mention Abandoned Realms is the most balanced RP/PK mud ive ever played? *wink* Thanks again

[Ilkidarios]

Originally Posted by (viggs @ June 22 2005,22:29) I stopped reading Logos posts about half way thru because I found him very hard to read without wanting to reach thru my moniter and slap the smirk off his face.

We all feel like that, but he's really not that bad if you talk to him on the forum about non-mud related stuff.

[Ilkidarios]

Originally Posted by (Delerak @ June 06 2005,18:36) Can you people derail some more?

I think they could, and have, this train is already so derailed it has crashed into a giant nuclear power plant.  Right now we're at the point where we are fighting a post-apocalyptic warlord for the last source of fuel in a bombed out desert wasteland.

[Ashon]

Originally Posted by He knows I visit here frequently and usually doesn't understand why I even take part.  If you were to email him, you would get a response.  Most likely not something you want to read or that you will like reading, but he simply does not have the time to spend on the forums.  He does not care about being pro-active.

This sounded like the management team of Medievia would respond to an email, about the questions that we have had.  As of yet, more then what 15 days?  There has been no reply?

Any Advice Soliel, on how to get a reply from Vyrce, about our questions?

[Soleil]

Seems to me that if he didn't respond by now, he's not going to respond. As I think I mentioned before, he doesn't feel he needs to answer to the posters here at this forum. Sorry to disappoint you.

I think the_logos summed it up rather nicely:

Originally Posted by Why? I mean this in the nicest possible way: Who do you think you are that someone should come running to answer your questions? It'd be one thing if you were one of the DIKU authors, I'll grant, because they're the victims if what is alleged is true, though even then he could quite reasonably expect that they would contact him privately to deal with it. From his point of view though, why would he come running just because some random forum posters ask him to, especially when those forum posters have, in some cases, spent 10 years vilifying him. And in fact, at this point he probably dislikes some people so much for attacking him so repeatedly and viciously that the fact that he CAN ignore you with no consequences is probably quite enjoyable. Really, there's nothing to be gained for him by engaging with you guys on the issue at this point, especially because I'm sure he knows that no matter what he says, some posters will use it as a reason to attack him more.

So, shrug, looks like you are going to have to do with no answers this time around.

[prof1515]

So in addition to being a thief, Vryce is a coward too.

I notice that the_logos, Threshold, et al have yet to respond with a simple "yes" or "no" as to whether or not they agree with Medievia's unethical behavior. I'll make it even easier for them then. If you don't agree, simply say "No." If you do agree and condone theft and lies, simply remain silent as you already have and we'll all get the point and toss cowardice onto the list.

I can't help but wonder though. Perhaps those that have defended Medievia have also abused the DIKU license too. If they lack the integrity to understand or admit that Medievia's behavior was wrong, what's to say they have the integrity not to commit the same acts? Hmmmm....

There's something to think about.

Take care,

Jason

[Daedroth]

Id be very surprised if IRE stole any code... As a matter of fact, I know its impossible. You can tell, by the way their games play. Like no other mu* I've played so far.

[Ilkidarios]

Yes, IRE uses a different client.  It's very different from other MUDs, and while I don't like their games, I don't believe they have stolen any code.  Claiming that Threshold and Matt have stolen code with no evidence aside from pure speculation to back it up is bordering on paranoia.  I don't actually remember Matt defending Medievia's code theft, so I doubt he has ever stolen DIKU. I mean, sure, he hasn't exactly admitted that Medievia stole code, but he never said "I support Medievia's code theft."

[Threshold]

Originally Posted by (prof1515 @ June 23 2005,16:23) I notice that the_logos, Threshold, et al have yet to respond with a simple "yes" or "no" as to whether or not they agree with Medievia's unethical behavior. I'll make it even easier for them then. If you don't agree, simply say "No." If you do agree and condone theft and lies, simply remain silent as you already have and we'll all get the point and toss cowardice onto the list.

Could you be any more of an unethical jerk?

By what twisted logic do you conclude I should have to respond to your pointless questions?

The fact that I have not participated in this utterly useless thread is certainly none of your business. I have not been involved in any way with this issue for years. If you want to know what I had to say about it before that, do some research. Get some help from the stalkers here who masturbate to my entire usenet posting history.

Furthermore, where do you get off posing questions that compel someone to answer or else you decide what their answer is for them?

Sounds a lot like the old loaded question "Yes or no: Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

Your entire argument here is one of ethics, and then you engage in grossly unethical behavior yourself. Nice work, hypocrite.

[Yui Unifex]

Originally Posted by (prof1515 @ foo) I notice that the_logos, Threshold, et al have yet to respond with a simple "yes" or "no" as to whether or not they agree with Medievia's unethical behavior.

Originally Posted by (Threshold @ June 23 2005,20:35) Sounds a lot like the old loaded question "Yes or no: Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

The only action Jason's question presupposes is the proven unethical behavior on Medievia's part. So no, it doesn't sound like the old loaded question at all.

[Threshold]

Originally Posted by (Yui Unifex @ June 23 2005) The only action Jason's question presupposes is the proven unethical behavior on Medievia's part. So no, it doesn't sound like the old loaded question at all.

Your reading comprehension hasn't improved.

It presupposes that anyone who does not expressly comment on the matter (including anyone who has not been involved in the issue at all) supports and approves of the behavior. The connection is that in both examples, the desired answer is virtually guaranteed simply by the way the question is posed.

Nice attempt at changing the subject though and trying to redirect attention from Jason's reprehensible and hypocritical behavior.

[viggs]

I am gratful atleast, that the signatures of the guilty feeling posters have a list of muds I will never check out.

[Threshold]

Originally Posted by (viggs @ June 23 2005,22:24) I am gratful atleast, that the signatures of the guilty feeling posters have a list of muds I will never check out.

Care to explain what you mean?

[viggs]

[quote= (Threshold @ June 23 2005,20:35)]

Originally Posted by prof1515,June 23 2005,16:23 By what twisted logic do you conclude I should have to respond to your pointless questions?

Ill just use your own words to answer your question, Penis.

[prof1515]

Originally Posted by (Threshold @ June 23 2005,21:36) Originally Posted by (Yui Unifex @ June 23 2005) The only action Jason's question presupposes is the proven unethical behavior on Medievia's part.  So no, it doesn't sound like the old loaded question at all. Your reading comprehension hasn't improved. It presupposes that anyone who does not expressly comment on the matter (including anyone who has not been involved in the issue at all) supports and approves of the behavior. The connection is that in both examples, the desired answer is virtually guaranteed simply by the way the question is posed. Nice attempt at changing the subject though and trying to redirect attention from Jason's reprehensible and hypocritical behavior.

Actually, you are the one whose reading comprehension appears to be sub-par. I asked first if anyone who defended Medievia believed that what Medievia did was right. If "yes", they could simply state it. If "no", they could simply state that. Since you appeared to be afraid to answer the question, I made it easier. By simply remaining silent, you could answer it yourself without having to subject yourself to posting your shameful immorality. Now, if you truly didn't approve of their actions, what harm would come from answering "no" since it would be a statement in support of ethical behavior and no shame (excepting perhaps amongst Medievia and other thieves) would come of it.

Speaking of changing the subject, I note that you have yet to say "No" in regard to supporting Medievia's unethical behavior which is very suggestive.

Take care,

Jason

[Yui Unifex]

Originally Posted by (Yui Unifex @ June 23 2005) The only action Jason's question presupposes is the proven unethical behavior on Medievia's part. So no, it doesn't sound like the old loaded question at all.

Originally Posted by (Threshold @ June 23 2005,21:36) It presupposes that anyone who does not expressly comment on the matter (including anyone who has not been involved in the issue at all) supports and approves of the behavior.

Your issue is with how a non-answer is interpreted, not how a question is loaded. You are confusing two wholly separate acts.

Originally Posted by (Threshold @ foo) Nice attempt at changing the subject though and trying to redirect attention from Jason's reprehensible and hypocritical behavior.

You're the one that introduced the poor analogy. There's nothing wrong with setting things straight.

[Angie]

Well, a quick visit to www.thresholdrpg.com makes it clear Threshold doesn't lose much sleep over copyright violations. What's up with all that artwork?

[rotm_adm]

On the subject of Threshold RPG and the rules of LPMuds (a user of LPmuds and MudOS can see the environment easily), some might want to also know why Aristotle is also rewarding players directly for 'registering' -- thus turning his game into a shareware based LPmud: http://www.thresholdrpg.com/register.html

This creates something of a Medievia as well, doesn't it?

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EDIT; Please do not post copyrighted material (ie. help files) as per terms of Threshold RPG.
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[Threshold]

Originally Posted by (prof1515 @ June 24 2005,04:21) I asked first if anyone who defended Medievia believed that what Medievia did was right. If "yes", they could simply state it. If "no", they could simply state that. Since you appeared to be afraid to answer the question, I made it easier. By simply remaining silent, you could answer it yourself without having to subject yourself to posting your shameful immorality. Now, if you truly didn't approve of their actions, what harm would come from answering "no" since it would be a statement in support of ethical behavior and no shame (excepting perhaps amongst Medievia and other thieves) would come of it.

You don't grasp the issue.

Where do you get the right to demand an answer from me on this issue, when I was never a participant in the discussion?

Where do you get off saying that if I don't share my opinion on Medievia in THIS thread that I therefore support them? Again, do some research if you want my opinion on the matter. Get one of the many stalkers (some have apparently appeared in this thread) to help you.

Are you so mired in your crusade that you don't even care when you act like an unethical jerk?

And to the other jerk in this thead: Threshold is not an LPMUD.

Is this what the forum has come to? People are not even allowed to remain silent on an issue if they want to? Either you agree with the horde, and join their attack, or you will get attacked yourself?

You people are really just a bunch of thugs.

[prof1515]

Originally Posted by (Threshold @ June 24 2005,21:59) You don't grasp the issue. Where do you get the right to demand an answer from me on this issue, when I was never a participant in the discussion? Where do you get off saying that if I don't share my opinion on Medievia in THIS thread that I therefore support them? Again, do some research if you want my opinion on the matter. Get one of the many stalkers (some have apparently appeared in this thread) to help you. Are you so mired in your crusade that you don't even care when you act like an unethical jerk? And to the other jerk in this thead: Threshold is not an LPMUD. Is this what the forum has come to? People are not even allowed to remain silent on an issue if they want to? Either you agree with the horde, and join their attack, or you will get attacked yourself? You people are really just a bunch of thugs.

It is you whose grasp is weak. I didn't specify any thread. I asked those who defended Medievia (without noting any particular thread/debate) if they agreed with Medievia's unethical behavior. Instead of answering, you continue to evade the question. You resort to throwing out insults and incoherent statements but still have not answered the question as posed:

Do you or do you not agree with Medievia's unethical behavior?

Now, if you agree with their behavior, all you have to do is continue to not respond and your guilt will be understood. However, if you disagree with their behavior, type "No". Since typing "No" appears to be difficult for you, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't condoning their behavior and are instead having difficulty typing. So, I'll make it even easier. Just type "n" instead. It can even be in lower case!

Take care,

Jason

[Threshold]

Originally Posted by (prof1515 @ June 24 2005,22:17) It is you whose grasp is weak. I didn't specify any thread. I asked <span style='color:red'>those who defended Medievia</span> (without noting any particular thread/debate) if they agreed with Medievia's unethical behavior.

Are you normally this clueless or has your crusade just blinded you?

Read exactly what you just said. Now, when exactly did I defend Medievia? Answer: never.

Thus, you owe me an apology. If you are a man of integrity, you'll provide an unconditional one. If you aren't, well, then everyone gets the chance to see your true colors.

What you don't understand is that what I think about this matter is my business, and nobody, not even someone as arrogant as you, has a right to COMPEL me to share my opinions when I do not wish to.

[prof1515]

Originally Posted by (Threshold @ June 24 2005,22:29) Thus, you owe me an apology. If you are a man of integrity, you'll provide an unconditional one. If you aren't, well, then everyone gets the chance to see your true colors. What you don't understand is that what I think about this matter is my business, and nobody, not even someone as arrogant as you, has a right to COMPEL me to share my opinions when I do not wish to.

Ah, yes, I'm the one who should be apologizing. Let's review your recent posts, shall we?

Originally Posted by Could you be any more of an unethical jerk?

Originally Posted by Get some help from the stalkers here who masturbate to my entire usenet posting history.

Originally Posted by Nice work,hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Are you so mired in your crusade that you don't even care when you act like an unethical jerk?

Originally Posted by And to the other jerk in this thead: Threshold is not an LPMUD.

Originally Posted by You people are really just a bunch of thugs.

I note you still haven't said "n" (even in the lower case).

Take care,

Jason

[Threshold]

You clearly owe me an apology and you don't even have the integrity to give it.

You erroneously grouped me with people based on something I never did, and don't have the honesty to own up to it.

If I want to use harsh language, I'm entitled to it after the thuggish behavior of you and your ilk in this thread towards me. Nice attempt at a smoke screen by trying to change the subject though.

You said and did something very wrong. You got caught. You won't own up to it. Every reader can clearly see this and conclude quite accurately that you are an unethical man with absolutely no integrity whatsoever.

Originally Posted by I note you still haven't said "n" (even in the lower case).

You really just don't get it, do you.

Get off your arrogant high horse where you think you have the right to demand an answer from me on a discussion I was never a part of.

You said you were only demanding an answer from people who supported Medievia. I never did. Thus you should stop trying to demand an answer from me and apologize. But you just can't bring yourself to act like a decent person.

It just makes you squirm in your seat at the very THOUGHT of having to admit you made a mistake and apologize. That is truly sad and pathetic.

[prof1515]

Fine. I'm sorry if you were offended because someone questioned your behavior and you were unwilling to owe up to it. And obviously, the other people who wondered why you are so unwilling to simply state that you don't support theft are also horrible people. How dare we all question the_logos' mighty lapdog?

My apologies if I made you feel uncomfortable with yourself.

Take care,

Jason

P.S.--I notice you still have yet to say "No" or even "n".

[Threshold]

Originally Posted by (prof1515 @ June 24 2005) Fine. I'm sorry if you were offended because someone questioned your behavior and you were unwilling to owe up to it.

Are we back to this one of your mistakes again?

What behavior of mine?

We already established that you screwed up and said I had defended Medievia.

We already established that you screwed up and thought I was involved in the discussion of Medievia at all.

I have no behavior to own up to. You are the one who has behavior that needs to be owned up to, hypocrite. I was not involved in any way. I did not defend them. I have never defended Medievia.

For some crazy reason, you decided to group me along with others for your attack.

And by the way, your **** poor sarcastic non-apology is just further evidence you simply aren't man enough to own up to your mistakes and apologize for them sincerely.

Originally Posted by P.S.--I notice you still have yet to say "No" or even "n".

Your arrogance is boundless. You have no right to DEMAND my statement one way or the other when I have never been a participant or defender in the discussions here.

Don't you understand that my opinion on Medievia is well known and is recorded in the permanent annals of usenet? KaVir even mentioned it in another thread here. This is a matter of principle. I do not have to restate my opinion here just because one arrogant, deceitful prick (you) wants me to.

If you want to know my stance, stop being lazy and look it up. You're the one who seems so hellbent on knowing my stance. Thus the onus is on YOU to go out and find it rather than using an unethical and despicable ruse to try and force it out of me.

[viggs]

Now I havent searched the entire forum. but in this thread I dont think Threshold has said a word until you brought up his name. I know I dont know Thres's history on this matter but I am a little confused. Clue me in??

[Ilkidarios]

Oh LORD Jesus.  Jason and Thresh you two need to calm down.  Can either of you tell me what any of this has to do with Medievia?  Or is this one of those personal vendettas you guys always seem to get into.  You know, Matt is Dr. King compared to you two.

[prof1515]

Originally Posted by Can either of you tell me what any of this has to do with Medievia?

Nothing which is why I'm happy to end it.

I am honestly too lazy to look it up but I'm glad to take Threshold at his word.  If I made a mistake, I'm sorry in lumping him together with the_logos.  It's perhaps the result of his defense of Matt in the past that I may have made such an error.  *shrug*  Don't know.  In any respect, I have no problem apologizing if I am wrong and no problem accepting that if I am wrong.

Either way, my question to those who defended Medievia still stands and we have yet to hear from them.  And that does say a lot about how they view such acts.

Take care,

Jason

[Davairus]

Since I barely frequent the forums, I'll be ok with medievia on the list, if it means our site gets more views from here. I can care less about what playerbases other muds have, I just want mine to get better. Put porn banners for traffic for all I care.. but since AR has been forced down a place I don't feel very convinced this is helping ... can we see some numbers to show that this ups the hits of every mud?