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Originally Posted by dulan is an idiotic uber 1337 lamer, who cares about him Very well then. Personal attacks it is. And removal of the kid gloves it shall be! You, my friend, are a wannabe. A wannabe devoid of any feeling, emotion, or interest beyond your own self-centered self-interest and any emotion or feeling that follows said self-interest. You, and Seth both have obviously not learned basic lessons of courtesy in pre-school. Nor have you learned to respect other people - much less their opinion. I have seem accusations of being a "child" from ...



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Old 04-30-2002, 09:11 PM   #31
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Very well then. Personal attacks it is. And removal of the kid gloves it shall be!

You, my friend, are a wannabe. A wannabe devoid of any feeling, emotion, or interest beyond your own self-centered self-interest and any emotion or feeling that follows said self-interest. You, and Seth both have obviously not learned basic lessons of courtesy in pre-school. Nor have you learned to respect other people - much less their opinion. I have seem accusations of being a "child" from Seth. But, that was not what irritated me. What was was some newbie to the forums logging on, and promptly using wannabe-speak to address me.

"Compensation" is a psychological term. Do either you or Seth knows what it refers to? Very well, I shall explain. You attempt to compensate for something you perceive as a critical lack IRL - height, weight, nonexistant sex life, what have you - and promptly project the hatred of your own self onto another person. Or you compensate in a manner that makes you feel like a "big man". In this case, it can be considered to be expressed in the manner referred to as "spamming". Based on your reaction Xanferious, I'd say that this is a very good understanding of you.

As for you, Seth, all of what I said to Xanferious applied. And more. Your constant lusting after of females for netsex. It is a simple psychological issue, again. You use sex as a way to express repressed pain, anger, what have you. You use that as an outlet for issues that you have no outlet for. I will refrain from commenting further, for fear of offending people I respect on here.

And before you comment, 'Fex - This was not a flame. It was nowhere near a flame. It was merely expressing a minor irritation on the two resident spammers.

-D
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Old 04-30-2002, 09:36 PM   #32
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I do have respect for peoples opions but when you refer to me as a spammer every single thread well it just shows that you lack the common courtesy, perhaps we both lack those skills, but as me feeling like a big man? heh I think not I don't need, to contuinely push spammer here spammer there. but if you want to bring this in the next level seeing how your trying to define me IRL, ill set the facts straight for your unintelligent self. IM 5'4 male blonde hair and blue eyes I weigh around 135 lbs. and IM 23. So sense I have that out on the table I will continue...

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You, my friend, are a wannabe. A wannabe devoid of any feeling, emotion, or interest beyond your own self-centered self-interest and any emotion or feeling that follows said self-interest
How am I devoid of emotions?
How am I self centered?

Your facts are based on your meaningless assumptions that bare any fact to the subject at hand. Your Flame just shows how childish you are, I so admit I act as a child on occasions but trying to bring Cyberlife into Real life shows that you are a kid that cannot take flames, rants and raves, and you need to defend your fragile and shallow life.
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Compensation" is a psychological term. Do either you or Seth knows what it refers to? Very well, I shall explain. You attempt to compensate for something you perceive as a critical lack IRL - height, weight, nonexistent sex life, what have you - and promptly project the hatred of your own self onto another person. Or you compensate in a manner that makes you feel like a "big man".
Im sure your talking about your own life, to draw conclusions people need to draw on there own personal experiences
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Old 04-30-2002, 09:44 PM   #33
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Um. Is Forsaken still looking for coders? You have been spamming the advertising for staff forums for months. If people haven't responded by now they are not going to do it. It gets pretty annoying to see you pandering your mud every single day. It may be cute to you, but it is rather annoying and and unfair to those who do not bump their mud to the front every day. I bet if we counted all the ^bumps^ and and random one-word posts on all of your 'forsaken is..." threads, it would be more than most people have entirely.

Besides, if someone is really looking to join a mud they will peruse the entire thread, and not merely respond to the one that is on the front page.

You are one of the worst spammers on here. Period.
i dont see any ^bumps^ i did that in the old forums. as for me spamming that thread, No i update what we still need... and yes people do send me emails and apply for postions, some use our forums, and its funny how you say that i "spam" that thread, what rather me be like everyone else and make a new thread for my mud? i rather keep it in 1 thread then 60 like ive seen some peeps do. and if you look at the time and date on those posts in that thread you can see that some are 5-6 days appart. please get some more facts before you assume things.
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Old 04-30-2002, 10:04 PM   #34
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Xanferious, the longest posting period between two posts was 2 days. The longest. Several were posted within hours of each other in that thread.

Don't lie, bud. Or, if you do, at least get corroborative evidence in your story.

-D
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Old 04-30-2002, 10:06 PM   #35
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Um.  Is Forsaken still looking for coders?  You have been spamming the advertising for staff forums for months.  If people haven't responded by now they are not going to do it.  It gets pretty annoying to see you pandering your mud every single day.  It may be cute to you, but it is rather annoying and and unfair to those who do not bump their mud to the front every day.  I bet if we counted all the ^bumps^ and and random one-word posts on all of your 'forsaken is..." threads, it would be more than most people have entirely.

Besides, if someone is really looking to join a mud they will peruse the entire thread, and not merely respond to the one that is on the front page.  

You are one of the worst spammers on here.  Period.
i dont see any ^bumps^ i did that in the old forums. as for me spamming that thread, No i update what we still need... and yes people do send me emails and apply for postions, some use our forums, and its funny how you say that i "spam" that thread, what rather me be like everyone else and make a new thread for my mud? i rather keep it in 1 thread then 60 like ive seen some peeps do. and if you look at the time and date on those posts in that thread you can see that some are 5-6 days appart. please get some more facts before you assume things.
Sigh.  You wish to tangle with me?  That is fine.

First.  I said ALL of your threads, thereby including your old ones.  You have many times on your old ones ^bumped^ the thread to the front of the page.  Moreover, it is quite clear on these new boards that you have bumped your thread numerous times.

Second.  You want to get technical?  If you would like to debate the intricate details of a post and try to flame me for what might be considered a slight exaggeration to make a point, let what is good for the goose be good for the gander:  Who has 60 separate threads advertising for staff?  No one.  However, your thread on the old boards was quite numerous!  If you have numerous positions available then put it in ONE post.  Not 20.  It seems, therefore, you are guilty, if not more so, for the same violations of which you accuse me.


Finally.  You refuse to acknowledge that your actions on this board have troubled many who have taken note of your frequent posts that seem to offer nothing other than a way to increase your number.  Your continued resistance to change your ways in response to those who complain about your spamming displays immaturity and disrespect.  As much as you may believe it contrary, these boards are not your personal playground.  They are intended to be used as a dialogue for the MUD community.  Instead, you feel the need to insert posts with one-word and fragment sentences to gain another star next to your name.  

In these instances, perception is reality.  And all anyone sees about you is a spamming, immature poster who continually engages in mindless flamewars, disrupting what little community is left on these boards.  

This is free advertising granted to you.  As such, it would occur to most people to exercise common courtesy in deference to the other MUDs that also wish to attract new staff.  It appears quite obvious to me that your peanut-sized brain fails to see what is the inevitable conclusion if we continue upon this path.  Players and Imms would just constantly bump their MUD to the front page, accomplishing nothing other than discouraging those who truly care about mudding, more than likely causing them to leave TMS altogether.

I suppose I can't stop you from continuing your ways.  But at the very least, acknowledge that you are by far one of the worst spammers on here.  If you fail to recognize that, you truly are selfish.  For as much as it might pain you, one day you will have to realize that you are not the only person that matters and that other people have a right to their opinion, too.
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Old 04-30-2002, 10:54 PM   #36
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First. I said ALL of your threads, thereby including your old ones. You have many times on your old ones ^bumped^ the thread to the front of the page. Moreover, it is quite clear on these new boards that you have bumped your thread numerous times.
1. you never stated which forums, this is the new forum and i have threads in it aswell
2. yes to reply to the posts within the thread itself and to update any changes.
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Finally. You refuse to acknowledge that your actions on this board have troubled many who have taken note of your frequent posts that seem to offer nothing other than a way to increase your number. Your continued resistance to change your ways in response to those who complain about your spamming displays immaturity and disrespect. As much as you may believe it contrary, these boards are not your personal playground. They are intended to be used as a dialogue for the MUD community. Instead, you feel the need to insert posts with one-word and fragment sentences to gain another star next to your name.
1.Uhm i dont care about my count nor those stars , i rather have the admins take em out... they look ghey under my name.
2. I never said it was my playground, and i havent treated it as such.
3. I dont tend to type a book, i keep my posts short and simple
4. i dont spam and yes i do flame from time to time
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This is free advertising granted to you. As such, it would occur to most people to exercise common courtesy in deference to the other MUDs that also wish to attract new staff. It appears quite obvious to me that your peanut-sized brain fails to see what is the inevitable conclusion if we continue upon this path. Players and Imms would just constantly bump their MUD to the front page, accomplishing nothing other than discouraging those who truly care about mudding, more than likely causing them to leave TMS altogether
1.Yes im aware of that, but if u also read in my posts i also answer people that write a message to me within that thread
2. now who is childish using peanut-sized brain

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I suppose I can't stop you from continuing your ways. But at the very least, acknowledge that you are by far one of the worst spammers on here. If you fail to recognize that, you truly are selfish. For as much as it might pain you, one day you will have to realize that you are not the only person that matters and that other people have a right to their opinion, too.
1. i dont spam
2. im not selffish
3.yes everyone has a right to make there own opinion , and i like to state mine quite often

Anything else?
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Old 04-30-2002, 10:58 PM   #37
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Xanferious, the longest posting period between two posts was 2 days. The longest. Several were posted within hours of each other in that thread.

Don't lie, bud. Or, if you do, at least get corroborative evidence in your story.

-D
i didnt mean that literally.....
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Old 04-30-2002, 11:01 PM   #38
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Your juvenile responses indicate to me, as they should to everyone else, that you are only concerned about yourself. As such, your immaturity and obliviousness are beyond my ability to convey to you how childish your actions are. Therefore, I shall refrain from any further comments (unless you manage to do something completely outrageous).
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Old 04-30-2002, 11:08 PM   #39
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Old 05-01-2002, 07:05 AM   #40
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HEY !!!!!!! STOP THAT !!! ITS MY POST AFTER ALL !!!!
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT ME !!!!!!!!!!!

*draws his brand new XWZ-3000 flamer and sends the post to the burning hells !!!!*

You peeps,are you serious about all you wrote ???
I PITY YOU !!!! REALLY !!!!!!!
That your 'seriousness' IS STUPID !!!!!!!!!!
Dont you understand that YOU not Xanf are CHILDISH ??!!
He,at least ,finds some fun and entertainment in that,and for you,this is problem ??!
Let the people play guyz ! Life is game,so why dont play it funny way,boys and girls ??

Oh godzzz...*sprays flaming death once again*

and,as for me,LONG REPLIES,at least 90% of them are much more BORING and STUPID and MEANINGLESS then your so-hated spamm with one word replies !!!

So stop that MADNESS NOW AND GO HAVE FUN !!!!!!!!
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Old 05-01-2002, 12:16 PM   #41
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You, and Seth both have obviously not learned basic lessons of courtesy in pre-school. Nor have you learned to respect other people - much less their opinion. I have seem accusations of being a "child" from Seth. But, that was not what irritated me. What was was some newbie to the forums logging on, and promptly using wannabe-speak to address me.

"Compensation" is a psychological term. Do either you or Seth knows what it refers to? Very well, I shall explain. You attempt to compensate for something you perceive as a critical lack IRL - height, weight, nonexistant sex life, what have you - and promptly project the hatred of your own self onto another person. Or you compensate in a manner that makes you feel like a "big man". In this case, it can be considered to be expressed in the manner referred to as "spamming". Based on your reaction Xanferious, I'd say that this is a very good understanding of you.

As for you, Seth, all of what I said to Xanferious applied. And more. Your constant lusting after of females for netsex. It is a simple psychological issue, again. You use sex as a way to express repressed pain, anger, what have you. You use that as an outlet for issues that you have no outlet for. I will refrain from commenting further, for fear of offending people I respect on here.

And before you comment, 'Fex - This was not a flame. It was nowhere near a flame. It was merely expressing a minor irritation on the two resident spammers.

-D
What do you base this upon? Upon your own single experiences? Maybe you ought to realize that you are not the only person in the world that matters, but allot of people do. Henceforth, neither Xanferious or me are lacking "basic lessons of courtesy". Both of us are just the center of attention of an egomaniac who believes that as soon as anyone doesn't like him, the other person is a social failure. And yes, I am refering to you, my dense little egomaniac forum-dweller.

And what do you happen to know about Xanferious' or my personal life then? I'm really quite sure you know nothing about it, so hence why your conclusions about us lacking certain thing IRL are null and void and will be dismissed as random utterings by a egomaniacal person who suffers clearly from an "illusion grandeur". Perhaps your personal attacks on both of us all of the sudden are merely to "compensate" for your own lack in these various areas?

As for me constantly lusting for netsex, do you even realize how much you are making yourself look like a moron right now? Yes, I realize I'm a horrible flirt and I think no one here of the female population on these forums is really offended by me being a flirt. If they are, which is quite possible, they should tell me and I'll apologize to said person with all honesty and stop with the innocent flirting. Perhaps the fault is not with me, but with yourself. After all, using your own psychological babble, your insults about me aiming for cybersex are just to "compensate" for your own inability to talk with people of the opposite gender. The rest of your pseudo-psychological babble will be dismissed, once again, as the ramblings of a man with an ego the size of Wales.

The last bit is supposed to be funny isn't it? You either got a very weird and uncommon sense of humor, or you are just as dense as Mr. Bush Junior. Also, please stop refering to Xanferious and myself as the same people, thank you. I'm sure someone with your pseudo-psychological "intellect" realizes that we are both very different people, who live at very different locations on this planet.

Finally, I'd like to take this oppurtunity to tell you that, dispite your own believes, the world does NOT revolve around you. Xanferious and I are not social misfits, merely because we do not fit in your perfect ideology of forum-posters. Neither do we compensate ourselves for a RL lack by spamming on these forums. In fact, the only real danger on these forums is from people with a closed mind, who aren't capable of accepting new ideas, new things or anything other then the things they define as standard. These kind of people usually punish other people out of fear that their ideal little fantasy world is disrupted. 64 years ago such a person was called Adolf Hitler. Nowadays, we have Dulan on these boards, spreading his wicked ideological ideas around and claiming to be the messiahs. I rest my case, you bitter little proletarian.

Go on, be predictable and amuse me, puppet.
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Old 05-01-2002, 04:45 PM   #42
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rrreow!!! hiss! geez people! if spam bugs you so much D, then ignore it! but it's a hell of a lot more interesting than your "pshcyological compensation" bull ####!

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damn Seth, That was deep...
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Meinh.

Here's my only comment, Sethie-poo: Check out the 'Me too!' thread.

If my word isn't enough, maybe theirs will convince you. Even Unifex has stated that you spam, and he is about the most unbiased, most refusing to choose a fscking side person I've met.

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*Wipes his brow after reading that whole list of posts, then prepares to speak*

Ahem. Firstly, I will quote for you the definition of spam, as presented in the SMAUG codebase:

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Spam is the repeated use of a phrase,command, or channel that causes screen scroll for others. ANYTHING that causes excessive or irritating screen scroll can be considered spam.
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1. <messaging> (From Hormel's Spiced Ham, via the Monty Python "Spam" song) To post irrelevant or inappropriate messages to one or more Usenet newsgroups, mailing lists, or other messaging system in deliberate or accidental violation of netiquette.

3. (Apparently a generalisation of sense 2, above) To abuse any network service or tool by for promotional purposes.

5. <chat, games> (A narrowing of sense 1, above) To flood any chat forum or Internet game with purposefully annoying text or macros. Compare Scrolling.
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<chat,games> To flood a chat room or Internet game with text or macros in an attempt to annoy the occupants. This can often cause the chat room to be "uninhabitable" due to the "noise" created by the scroller. Compare spam.
Xaniferous, I've seen several 'heh...' posts from you. I honestly don't give a damn if you find something funny, or not... unless you can elaborate on it. If you have something more to say than something the quality of 'me too' or 'heh... cool', then say it. I'd love to hear it. If all you have to say is 'heh...' or 'that's funny', then I feel that I should be given a 'spam disrespectful twit for repeated abuse of forums' button to fill your e-mail with messages ranging from the number 1, to whatever number I feel to be appropriate for your complete lack of ANY respect of the other people on these forums.

Your posts increase the amount of code on a page, as well as graphical load on their system. Not everyone has access to high speed connections to save them from your inane posts. Don't EVER try to say you respect the people here. You don't. It's one thing if your posts have a purpose, and aren't simply repeats... but, I think that's enough on the subject. And, as I've had to tell Ingham many times before... that was no flame, that is merely my opinion.

As for the issue of netsex and cyber-lusting, on the part of Seth/Ingham. *shrug* Boys will be boys. He could, of course, find a better place to do it... such as using the private message system (built into this forum). So yes that, as well, would constitute spam. Though, on occasion, I have gleaned a BIT of a laugh from it, so I find it less offensive than the blatherskyte posts by Xaniferous.

Seth, on the issue of courtesy:

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Maybe you ought to realize that you are not the only person in the world that matters, but allot of people do. Henceforth, neither Xanferious or me are lacking "basic lessons of courtesy".
Maybe you ought to realize the same. If you spam, you are essentially telling everyone else that they don't matter. Do you stop to consider that they may be on a dial-up connection? It's one thing to post genuine messages with a purpose. It's another entirely to post drivel, which will make it harder on others to get the content WORTH seeing. Sorry, but your statement, to me, only shows your hypocrisy.

On the issue of lacking those basic lessons, I would have to say that it is an affirmative that you are lacking those lessons. If you had learned those lessons you would not have made the statment that someone ELSE needs to learn that others matter... but, that's just my opinion, I suppose. Again, I find myself having to restate that I'm not flaming you.

Shao_long, I will simply pretend I didn't see you say that one word posts have more meaning than the relatively longer posts, simply because that would have to be the most incredible (in that I find it not to hold any credibility) thing I've ever seen posted in the whole time I've been on the net. Well, aside from the guy who claimed he was God (Sallog, or something like that), that he copyrighted his name, and that he forced the courts to recognize him as GOD or GOD ALMIGHTY. That, I believe is SLIGHTLY more incredible than what you said... but only by a bit.
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I've been spamming a little bit on these forums because I was one of the longest registered members on the old forum and I kind of miss my posts...

I suppose I could get all my posts back the normal way, by posting on serious threads with usefull replies that will hopefully help/convince/enlighten someone, but this certainly is fast, and more fun for a bit
Well, if this isn't a confession to childishness, I don't know what would be.

Getting rid of the post count and ratings seems to be a definite way of improving the overall quality of the discussions here, despite some people claiming they don't spam for the post count.

Which leaves me wondering why they would bother making asses of themselves in the first place.

*shrug* It's not like the MUDding world was devoid of immature egocentrics, though.
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