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nass · 03-31-2006, 12:20 PM

Wow, having a shot at the zmud plugin too. Well that's been around for what, about 2 years now, I know plenty of other muds have copied it. I've also certainly never seen that described anywhere as illegal.

ok?

nass · 03-31-2006, 12:31 PM

By the way, you're probably not aware logos, but it was actually one of your Lusternia players that went to the admin here about our double exp stuff, after which the admin popped me a mail. There was a thread about it on one of your IRE boards, just do a search for wotmud. Personally I think it reeks a bit of jealousy and sour grapes but hey, whatever.

My misunderstanding, as I explained to him, was this: I didn't reward the voters in-game over-and-beyond anyone else. Ie, everyone got double exp, regardless of if they voted or not. Anyhow that's, I gather, also not allowed, hence you'll find no mention of it by me at all since. Feel free to look.

Anyhow - I definitely do agree with some of the posters here, being high on the list is nothing to do with quality whatsoever. All it measures is the ability to get high on this list, ie popularity. Anyone who claims otherwise is fooling themselves. Now some may say that popularity actually means quality, I'd submit "macdonalds" in rebuttal.

Have a nice day.

Baram · 03-31-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (nass @ April 01 2006,01:31)

By the way, you're probably not aware logos, but it was actually one of your Lusternia players that went to the admin here about our double exp stuff, after which the admin popped me a mail. There was a thread about it on one of your IRE boards, just do a search for wotmud. Personally I think it reeks a bit of jealousy and sour grapes but hey, whatever.

I saw it mentioned in another double xp post but it was by an admin from Aetolia... same thing though, heh.

nass · 03-31-2006, 01:05 PM

oops my, bad, Aetolia, Lusternia, I get them mixed up

Estarra · 03-31-2006, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (nass @ Mar. 31 2006,13:05)

oops my, bad, Aetolia, Lusternia, I get them mixed up

I will keeeeel you!

Lusternia is much sexier than Aetolia!

nass · 03-31-2006, 01:56 PM

Logos - go and read http://www.wotmud.org/forums....start=0 and http://www.wotmud.org/forums....m=74&43 Then, check the dates of the posts, how it's clearly all about that social bookmarking. Personally I believe the classy thing to do would be to make an apology.

Also, in the future, since you're a moderator and represent this place here now, I do think you need to act more professionally and set a better example. Ie, take some steps and allow some time to get the full picture about things before accusing people on the boards.

Thanks.

Valg · 03-31-2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Soleil @ Mar. 31 2006,06:18)

The MUDs who can think up ways to almost 'get around' the rules win. Of course the MUDs at the top have larger playerbases than the ones at the bottom, but it just seems to me that to be at the top of the list on this site you have to either cheat to get ahead or just almost cheat the rules.

Personally, I'm happy we no longer care about voting here..

Just because you and your oh-so-ethical husband cheated (and got banned), doesn't mean everyone else cheats. Feel free to sniff around us, and you'll see that we don't interrupt gameplay, offer incentives, distribute bots/scripts, or do anything remotely against the rules of the site. Yet we're pretty consistently in the #3-#5 spot.

We run a clean ship. Don't try to smear us with the filth you swim in.

Soleil · 03-31-2006, 02:21 PM

I wasn't smearing anyone, merely making an observation based on this thread, which pointedly shows yet another way that a MUD has gone above and beyond (the rules?) to get to the top of this list.

Personally I think it's great that you have motivated your players to vote without having to resort to the things other games have had to do. Mind sharing how you do it??

the_logos · 03-31-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Soleil @ Mar. 31 2006,06:18)

The MUDs who can think up ways to almost 'get around' the rules win. Of course the MUDs at the top have larger playerbases than the ones at the bottom, but it just seems to me that to be at the top of the list on this site you have to either cheat to get ahead or just almost cheat the rules.

Excuse me, but many MUDs in the top 10 do -not- cheat. Iron Realms MUDs are among those. We follow the rules to the letter, and if you'd like to accuse us of doing otherwise, please post your evidence.
--matt

the_logos · 03-31-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (nass @ Mar. 31 2006,13:56)

Logos - go and read http://www.wotmud.org/forums....start=0 and http://www.wotmud.org/forums....m=74&43 Then, check the dates of the posts, how it's clearly all about that social bookmarking. Personally I believe the classy thing to do would be to make an apology.

Quote:

Originally Posted by

By the way, you're probably not aware logos, but it was actually one of your Lusternia players that went to the admin here about our double exp stuff, after which the admin popped me a mail. There was a thread about it on one of your IRE boards, just do a search for wotmud. Personally I think it reeks a bit of jealousy and sour grapes but hey, whatever.

Wow, that is some gall. You get caught cheating and claim that turning you in for cheating is "jealousy" and "sour grapes?" You want me to apologize for pointing out that you guys were cheating? I think not.

It's you who owes everyone else an apology. Whether you knew it or not, you were breaking the rules. There's no denying that really, whether it was innocent or not.

--matt

Soleil · 03-31-2006, 02:39 PM

Whoa- Defensive defensive. Again I was merely making an observation, no evidence of anything at all. Maybe my choice of words were not the best so let me try and rephrase what I was thinking...

It seems that most games, to stay at the top of the list, have had to come up with some additional code, scripts, motivational schemes, etc to get their players to vote. Some of these ways, including the ivote code that Medievia uses, do go against the rules. Other ways, such as the zmud script mentioned, don't seem to specifically go against the rules, but seem to be a bit 'shady' since the user has to do nothing at all except open up their MUD client.

Maybe it would be worth starting up a new thread on this topic... "How do YOU get your players to vote?"

Everyone is so testy today.... Am I not allowed to post my opinions without everyone jumping down my throat?

the_logos · 03-31-2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Soleil @ Mar. 31 2006,14:39)

Everyone is so testy today.... Am I not allowed to post my opinion without everyone jumping down my throat?

Sure you are. But when you make accusations, I think it's reasonable to expect that you back them up with evidence. Your system is against the rules here. Ours isn't.
--matt

Soleil · 03-31-2006, 02:48 PM

Fair enough. My original intention was not to accuse anyone of anything really, just stating an observation. I apologize to those MUDs who do play by the rules and who were offended by my first post. My comments were mostly in response to the zmud script that was mentioned as I certainly think that goes against the spirit of the rules here since the people voting aren't even clicking anything or giving any effort at all to their votes. Hell, if that kind of thing IS acceptable, why don't all the MUDs here use it?

Angie · 03-31-2006, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Soleil @ Mar. 31 2006,21:48)

Hell, if that kind of thing IS acceptable, why don't all the MUDs here use it?

You'd never understand.

Soleil · 03-31-2006, 03:31 PM

I'd never understand, why? Because you also think it's a shady thing to do and you always associate Medievia with cheating and all-around shadiness? I'm sure you and GodWars II would never ever stoop to that kind of level to gain votes. But, where are you on the voting list?

If that's not the reason, please enlighten me. If it is the reason, it proves my observations exactly... MUDs who want to get to the top of this list, especially those with smaller playerbases, seem to have to take certain measures (such as this zmud script) to get there. (Again, no accusations being made at all, please don't jump on me about that again)

Ilkidarios · 03-31-2006, 03:53 PM

I think the thread litmus test is now off the charts, you guys don't need to be so hostile. I mean, I understand your MUDs are being insulted, but God damn.

Soleil · 03-31-2006, 04:01 PM

Hostility? Here on TMS? Never!

(What do you expect? Once I post or Medievia is mentioned in any thread anywhere and that thread is destined to go down the drain!

)

the_logos · 03-31-2006, 04:06 PM

Closed the topic to prevent imminent flamewar! I think everything that needs saying has been said in any case. If anyone wants to start a new thread about getting votes, or about cheating via rewarding, or about the Zmud DLL, please feel free.

Thanks!
--matt

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03-31-2006, 12:20 PM	#31
nass Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 126	Wow, having a shot at the zmud plugin too. Well that's been around for what, about 2 years now, I know plenty of other muds have copied it. I've also certainly never seen that described anywhere as illegal. ok?

03-31-2006, 12:31 PM	#32
nass Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 126	By the way, you're probably not aware logos, but it was actually one of your Lusternia players that went to the admin here about our double exp stuff, after which the admin popped me a mail. There was a thread about it on one of your IRE boards, just do a search for wotmud. Personally I think it reeks a bit of jealousy and sour grapes but hey, whatever. My misunderstanding, as I explained to him, was this: I didn't reward the voters in-game over-and-beyond anyone else. Ie, everyone got double exp, regardless of if they voted or not. Anyhow that's, I gather, also not allowed, hence you'll find no mention of it by me at all since. Feel free to look. Anyhow - I definitely do agree with some of the posters here, being high on the list is nothing to do with quality whatsoever. All it measures is the ability to get high on this list, ie popularity. Anyone who claims otherwise is fooling themselves. Now some may say that popularity actually means quality, I'd submit "macdonalds" in rebuttal. Have a nice day.

03-31-2006, 01:05 PM	#34
nass Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 126	oops my, bad, Aetolia, Lusternia, I get them mixed up

03-31-2006, 01:56 PM	#36
nass Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 126	Logos - go and read http://www.wotmud.org/forums....start=0 and http://www.wotmud.org/forums....m=74&43 Then, check the dates of the posts, how it's clearly all about that social bookmarking. Personally I believe the classy thing to do would be to make an apology. Also, in the future, since you're a moderator and represent this place here now, I do think you need to act more professionally and set a better example. Ie, take some steps and allow some time to get the full picture about things before accusing people on the boards. Thanks.

03-31-2006, 02:21 PM	#38
Soleil Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147	I wasn't smearing anyone, merely making an observation based on this thread, which pointedly shows yet another way that a MUD has gone above and beyond (the rules?) to get to the top of this list. Personally I think it's great that you have motivated your players to vote without having to resort to the things other games have had to do. Mind sharing how you do it??

03-31-2006, 02:39 PM	#41
Soleil Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147	Whoa- Defensive defensive. Again I was merely making an observation, no evidence of anything at all. Maybe my choice of words were not the best so let me try and rephrase what I was thinking... It seems that most games, to stay at the top of the list, have had to come up with some additional code, scripts, motivational schemes, etc to get their players to vote. Some of these ways, including the ivote code that Medievia uses, do go against the rules. Other ways, such as the zmud script mentioned, don't seem to specifically go against the rules, but seem to be a bit 'shady' since the user has to do nothing at all except open up their MUD client. Maybe it would be worth starting up a new thread on this topic... "How do YOU get your players to vote?" Everyone is so testy today.... Am I not allowed to post my opinions without everyone jumping down my throat?

03-31-2006, 02:48 PM	#43
Soleil Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147	Fair enough. My original intention was not to accuse anyone of anything really, just stating an observation. I apologize to those MUDs who do play by the rules and who were offended by my first post. My comments were mostly in response to the zmud script that was mentioned as I certainly think that goes against the spirit of the rules here since the people voting aren't even clicking anything or giving any effort at all to their votes. Hell, if that kind of thing IS acceptable, why don't all the MUDs here use it?

03-31-2006, 03:31 PM	#45
Soleil Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147	I'd never understand, why? Because you also think it's a shady thing to do and you always associate Medievia with cheating and all-around shadiness? I'm sure you and GodWars II would never ever stoop to that kind of level to gain votes. But, where are you on the voting list? If that's not the reason, please enlighten me. If it is the reason, it proves my observations exactly... MUDs who want to get to the top of this list, especially those with smaller playerbases, seem to have to take certain measures (such as this zmud script) to get there. (Again, no accusations being made at all, please don't jump on me about that again)

03-31-2006, 03:53 PM	#46
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	I think the thread litmus test is now off the charts, you guys don't need to be so hostile. I mean, I understand your MUDs are being insulted, but God damn.

03-31-2006, 04:01 PM	#47
Soleil Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147	Hostility? Here on TMS? Never! (What do you expect? Once I post or Medievia is mentioned in any thread anywhere and that thread is destined to go down the drain! )

03-31-2006, 04:06 PM	#48
the_logos Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mill Valley, California Posts: 2,119	Closed the topic to prevent imminent flamewar! I think everything that needs saying has been said in any case. If anyone wants to start a new thread about getting votes, or about cheating via rewarding, or about the Zmud DLL, please feel free. Thanks! --matt

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