Tavern of the Blue Hand

Kopribear · 05-10-2005, 04:42 PM

Again I see an argument that's taking place over something that's already settled... she's left... why argue? It's not like anyone's convincing her to come back with their awfulness...

Anyway, I get to ring the bell in this Logos, KaVir fight ^_^ It's an exciting prospect... Matt would surely kick some disagreeable butt.

I jest. ...Though I don't doubt the truth of my words...

Angie · 05-10-2005, 04:49 PM

Gosh. Stop spamming.

Valg · 05-10-2005, 05:32 PM

Again I see an argument that's taking place over something that's already settled... she's left... why argue? It's not like anyone's convincing her to come back with their awfulness...

Because the underlying cause of why valuable contributors like Molly are leaving is still present and unresolved.

the_logos · 05-10-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by (Valg @ May 10 2005,17:32)

Again I see an argument that's taking place over something that's already settled... she's left... why argue? It's not like anyone's convincing her to come back with their awfulness...

Because the underlying cause of why valuable contributors like Molly are leaving is still present and unresolved.

Of course, there's some level of disagreement as to whether people like Molly and Tyche were "valuable contributors." I see Molly as a total wanna-be with no proven experience and I see Tyche as what is probably an intelligent guy, but hidden beneath a facade of 5 year old emotional maturity. I know I'm not the only one either. One of the admins from a non-IRE top 10 mud mailed me saying he/she is almost tempted to send money to Medievia just to thank them for being responsible for getting rid of Molly.

Yes, I realize some of you are going to flame me for stating my opinions on people even though I'm merely replying to a post in which someone states his opinion on people.

--matt

Kopribear · 05-10-2005, 05:40 PM

*chin* I see. So... resolve it by verbally beating each other over the head? Sounds like a plan. At any rate, yes, there is an underlying cause here... and by continuing yet another argument we are simply fuelling that cause. That was the only point I was trying to make.

Also, Angie, your 'Gosh. Stop spamming.' post... isn't that considered spam? *murmurs about hypocrites*

*snickers at Matt*

KaVir · 05-10-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by (the_logos @ May 10 2005,23:40)

One of the admins from a non-IRE top 10 mud mailed me saying he/she is almost tempted to send money to Medievia just to thank them for being responsible for getting rid of Molly.

Threshold would.

But just think how many people would send in money if it would get you to leave...

Angie · 05-10-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by (Kopribear @ May 11 2005,00:40)

Also, Angie, your 'Gosh. Stop spamming.' post... isn't that considered spam?

My post was pure signal, even if you failed to catch it. Your posts are almost pure noise, and you sure make a lot of them all over the forums. Why should you care that Molly or anybody left? How can you even have an opinion on the topic, when you didn't know those people? Do you even know what the focus of these forums is supposed to be? Who contributes and who does not? Or what the reasons behind Molly's (and others') leaving are?

Before you post, make sure you have something to say.

Kopribear · 05-10-2005, 06:20 PM

Calm down, sweetheart, I never said I didn't care that she left. You're right, I don't know these people, but sometimes it helps to get an outside view. Those of you emotionally invested in the situation are too worked up to see what anyone else is really saying.

Also, yeah I make a lot of posts. It's because I do have something to say, even if you're too pigheaded to catch it. KaVir also makes a lot of posts that don't seem to really be saying anything, leastwise anything new. At least I don't constantly post stating and restating something that has been said six thousand times.

KaVir · 05-10-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by (Kopribear @ May 11 2005,00:20)

Also, yeah I make a lot of posts.

I think the word 'drivel' would be more appropriate. You've posted a few times, but haven't contributed anything of any worth.

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Originally Posted by

KaVir also makes a lot of posts that don't seem to really be saying anything, leastwise anything new.

And you've read all 819 of them, have you?

Kopribear · 05-10-2005, 06:29 PM

*mumur* no, KaVir, I haven't. I don't wish to subject myself to any further repetivity.
And don't you have something better to do?
At any rate, since I've hit a sore spot, I'll cease posting here because this -is- becoming spam.

PhoenixFlare · 05-10-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by

At least I don't constantly post stating and restating something that has been said six thousand times.

No, all you've been doing is trying to call anyone that disagrees with you a time-wasting hypocrite, inbetween making cutesy little quips about how great Achea and Matt are.

If you're going to whine about people stating and restating things, hows about you stop doing it yourself, eh?

Iluvatar · 05-10-2005, 11:28 PM

Obviously I don't post often but most of you know what I do post is well thought out and appropriate given our forum topics or thread involved. My personal feeling as both HImp for a world and TMS moderator for two topics is that we're better seen and not heard unless really needed.

Many of us seem to have sincere distaste for any type of support provided for anything having to do with the proven thieves of Medievia and have either left or in the process of leaving. I understand Adam's decision but in light of the response so far, I strongly urge him to reconsider.

That being said, I also have to comment on the sycophantic ramblings of Kopribear who obviously has no clue as to what's going on in the big picture. No Kopri, KaVir is not a child but he's ****ed, Molly was well respected and gone, so is Samson, Welcor and quite a few others. I realize you have no clue as to their contributions, but pretend it's a homework assignment and perhaps research a bit before you attempt adult communication in an adult environment. While I admit the_logos often contributes meaningfully he then erases it with asinine, self-serving and usually pompous statements or actions which earn rebuttals. No offense meant Matt, it's just your nature I guess and it probably comes from the success you've earned.

I'm pretty unhappy about Synozeers decision and especially the joyriders on the flame train, but I'm proud of our fellow mudders who have taken the moral high ground and expressed displeasure at accepting Medievia back. I'm sad so many have left already and unfortunately I don't see the exodus slowing down.

I've been trained with the premise that *quitting* wasn't really a reasonable or logical measure to affect change. I'm sorely tempted though in this situation which would mean the end of any interaction at all with the community. I honestly don't know yet...I'm incensed at seeing Medievia thrown in my face and I certainly don't want it to become a 'the_logos' stroke festival. We'll see...

Jazuela · 05-10-2005, 11:52 PM

Iluvitar, et al:

Remember one very significant thing. If you leave, Medievia wins.

May I suggest a pro-active stance please?

For those of you who run muds that give experience points, or builds, or training points, or equipment, or pay-to-play, or pay-for-perks, whatever. Take advantage of the new mass inclusion of Medievia players. These folks are going hog-wild on reviews, which means they're coming here to this website in droves. This also means they are prime targets to become new players on YOUR game.

Offer them something! "Try our game for a month, if you stay after a month we will give you a free month's subscription!" Or "If you keep your account active and get involved in at least 2 quests for the next three weeks, we will give you your very own custom-described weapon, or a level 8 spell of your choice!" or "Come play MYMud for a month and we'll give you a 5-level boost!"

You get the general idea. It looks like there are some players who've been pretty annoyed with Medievia, who still play it because of the friends they've gained while there. Bring them AND their friends to YOUR game, and let them enjoy something new together, and make MORE friends! Have a "add a friend" contest, I mean heck there's tons of things you can do with this. Be creative people. It's why you started running muds in the first place isn't it? Because you wanted to express your creativity?

the_logos · 05-11-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by (KaVir @ May 10 2005,17:53)

Quote:

Originally Posted by (the_logos @ May 10 2005,23:40)

One of the admins from a non-IRE top 10 mud mailed me saying he/she is almost tempted to send money to Medievia just to thank them for being responsible for getting rid of Molly.

Threshold would.

But just think how many people would send in money if it would get you to leave...

Nope, not Threshold. God you're paranoid.

Hyena Priestess · 05-11-2005, 12:40 AM

Hehe, I am probably being quite snooty when I say this, but...

Do you really want someone whose sickeningly loyal to Medievia, even know they know the game's past background and history?

You may think that such loyalty would shift to your own game, but in all likliness, it won't. These players are coming droves to write reviews and freely discuss their disgrace of a game in public now that it's allowed back into the list and try and draw in new players. If they wanted a new game, they could have found one ages ago.

Sanvean · 05-11-2005, 02:28 AM

I'm sorry to see Molly go. She's contributed a lot of articles to TopMUDSites , and I've always enjoyed her writings. She's one of the people that has put considerable thought and deliberation into developing ideas about building, and at least one feature on our MUD was sparked by something she posted. Her frustration is understandable; I've noticed a lot fewer discussions that are worth following on these boards over the year or two.

I'd suggest, though, that perhaps if we want more signal and less noise, that people a) make an attempt to post things that spark useful or interesting discussions, and b) ignore the noise. A lot of it could be nipped in the bud if people would avoid responding to trolls.

Ilkidarios · 05-12-2005, 09:17 PM

Well, one thing can be said for all the noise: it makes topmud forums at least have SOMETHING on them. I remember going weeks without a single new post.

scandum · 05-13-2005, 05:13 PM

I was just dropping in to get that one in a lifetime screenshot of Tyche losing it, but this is certainly entertaining as well.

You people take yourselves a little bit too serious. This forum is a collection of banners with some redundant html to keep the kids busy. Just accept you're nothing but click cattle, or if you're too intelligent to fall for that, like me, impression cattle.

Basicly we create the fluff that the site owner sells: impressions, clicks and trafic. So I guess that makes us sheep, fluffy sheep

05-10-2005, 04:42 PM	#31
Kopribear Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA, Michigan Posts: 72	Again I see an argument that's taking place over something that's already settled... she's left... why argue? It's not like anyone's convincing her to come back with their awfulness... Anyway, I get to ring the bell in this Logos, KaVir fight ^_^ It's an exciting prospect... Matt would surely kick some disagreeable butt. I jest. ...Though I don't doubt the truth of my words...

05-10-2005, 04:49 PM	#32
Angie Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Prague Home MUD: God Wars II Posts: 131	Gosh. Stop spamming.

05-10-2005, 05:32 PM	#33
Valg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 642	Again I see an argument that's taking place over something that's already settled... she's left... why argue? It's not like anyone's convincing her to come back with their awfulness... Because the underlying cause of why valuable contributors like Molly are leaving is still present and unresolved.

05-10-2005, 05:40 PM	#35
Kopribear Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA, Michigan Posts: 72	chin I see. So... resolve it by verbally beating each other over the head? Sounds like a plan. At any rate, yes, there is an underlying cause here... and by continuing yet another argument we are simply fuelling that cause. That was the only point I was trying to make. Also, Angie, your 'Gosh. Stop spamming.' post... isn't that considered spam? murmurs about hypocrites snickers at Matt

05-10-2005, 06:20 PM	#38
Kopribear Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA, Michigan Posts: 72	Calm down, sweetheart, I never said I didn't care that she left. You're right, I don't know these people, but sometimes it helps to get an outside view. Those of you emotionally invested in the situation are too worked up to see what anyone else is really saying. Also, yeah I make a lot of posts. It's because I do have something to say, even if you're too pigheaded to catch it. KaVir also makes a lot of posts that don't seem to really be saying anything, leastwise anything new. At least I don't constantly post stating and restating something that has been said six thousand times.

05-10-2005, 06:29 PM	#40
Kopribear Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA, Michigan Posts: 72	mumur no, KaVir, I haven't. I don't wish to subject myself to any further repetivity. And don't you have something better to do? At any rate, since I've hit a sore spot, I'll cease posting here because this -is- becoming spam.

05-10-2005, 11:28 PM	#42
Iluvatar Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mississippi USA Posts: 142	Obviously I don't post often but most of you know what I do post is well thought out and appropriate given our forum topics or thread involved. My personal feeling as both HImp for a world and TMS moderator for two topics is that we're better seen and not heard unless really needed. Many of us seem to have sincere distaste for any type of support provided for anything having to do with the proven thieves of Medievia and have either left or in the process of leaving. I understand Adam's decision but in light of the response so far, I strongly urge him to reconsider. That being said, I also have to comment on the sycophantic ramblings of Kopribear who obviously has no clue as to what's going on in the big picture. No Kopri, KaVir is not a child but he's ***ed, Molly was well respected and gone, so is Samson, Welcor and quite a few others. I realize you have no clue as to their contributions, but pretend it's a homework assignment and perhaps research a bit before you attempt adult communication in an adult environment. While I admit the_logos often contributes meaningfully he then erases it with asinine, self-serving and usually pompous statements or actions which earn rebuttals. No offense meant Matt, it's just your nature I guess and it probably comes from the success you've earned. I'm pretty unhappy about Synozeers decision and especially the joyriders on the flame train, but I'm proud of our fellow mudders who have taken the moral high ground and expressed displeasure at accepting Medievia back. I'm sad so many have left already and unfortunately I don't see the exodus slowing down. I've been trained with the premise that quitting* wasn't really a reasonable or logical measure to affect change. I'm sorely tempted though in this situation which would mean the end of any interaction at all with the community. I honestly don't know yet...I'm incensed at seeing Medievia thrown in my face and I certainly don't want it to become a 'the_logos' stroke festival. We'll see...

05-10-2005, 11:52 PM	#43
Jazuela Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New England Posts: 611	Iluvitar, et al: Remember one very significant thing. If you leave, Medievia wins. May I suggest a pro-active stance please? For those of you who run muds that give experience points, or builds, or training points, or equipment, or pay-to-play, or pay-for-perks, whatever. Take advantage of the new mass inclusion of Medievia players. These folks are going hog-wild on reviews, which means they're coming here to this website in droves. This also means they are prime targets to become new players on YOUR game. Offer them something! "Try our game for a month, if you stay after a month we will give you a free month's subscription!" Or "If you keep your account active and get involved in at least 2 quests for the next three weeks, we will give you your very own custom-described weapon, or a level 8 spell of your choice!" or "Come play MYMud for a month and we'll give you a 5-level boost!" You get the general idea. It looks like there are some players who've been pretty annoyed with Medievia, who still play it because of the friends they've gained while there. Bring them AND their friends to YOUR game, and let them enjoy something new together, and make MORE friends! Have a "add a friend" contest, I mean heck there's tons of things you can do with this. Be creative people. It's why you started running muds in the first place isn't it? Because you wanted to express your creativity?

05-11-2005, 12:40 AM	#45
Hyena Priestess New Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	Hehe, I am probably being quite snooty when I say this, but... Do you really want someone whose sickeningly loyal to Medievia, even know they know the game's past background and history? You may think that such loyalty would shift to your own game, but in all likliness, it won't. These players are coming droves to write reviews and freely discuss their disgrace of a game in public now that it's allowed back into the list and try and draw in new players. If they wanted a new game, they could have found one ages ago.

05-11-2005, 02:28 AM	#46
Sanvean Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 99	I'm sorry to see Molly go. She's contributed a lot of articles to TopMUDSites , and I've always enjoyed her writings. She's one of the people that has put considerable thought and deliberation into developing ideas about building, and at least one feature on our MUD was sparked by something she posted. Her frustration is understandable; I've noticed a lot fewer discussions that are worth following on these boards over the year or two. I'd suggest, though, that perhaps if we want more signal and less noise, that people a) make an attempt to post things that spark useful or interesting discussions, and b) ignore the noise. A lot of it could be nipped in the bud if people would avoid responding to trolls.

05-12-2005, 09:17 PM	#47
Ilkidarios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Name: Lamont Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 436	Well, one thing can be said for all the noise: it makes topmud forums at least have SOMETHING on them. I remember going weeks without a single new post.

05-13-2005, 05:13 PM	#48
scandum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 130	I was just dropping in to get that one in a lifetime screenshot of Tyche losing it, but this is certainly entertaining as well. You people take yourselves a little bit too serious. This forum is a collection of banners with some redundant html to keep the kids busy. Just accept you're nothing but click cattle, or if you're too intelligent to fall for that, like me, impression cattle. Basicly we create the fluff that the site owner sells: impressions, clicks and trafic. So I guess that makes us sheep, fluffy sheep

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