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Terloch · 12-01-2003, 08:28 PM

soljax blithered:

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From your attitude, Terloch, I can tell that you're a bad immortal. Immortals cannot take things personally. This is a game, and if someone cheats then the response is simple. If someone insults you, or even disagrees with you.. You are the type of person who will take it personally and make a big stink about it.

Yeah, I made one comment, and you can tell everything about me. That's brilliant. I can care less if people insult me, and I actually enjoy people who can constructively disagree, I know I'm not perfect and all of my ideas sure as #### aren't perfect. My biggest issue with idiots who break rules and get banned is their un-needed vendetta to assault the site which has taken away their toys.

Don't make assumptions if I'm a bad immortal or not, you know jack crap about me.

- Terloch

Gihnral · 12-01-2003, 10:18 PM

Don't let it get to you Terloch. I would guess that all of the muds he's listed he's been kicked off of, including the one Amnon runs, he's done the same thing he did on the mud I play on.

He thinks very highly of himself, he thinks he understands the ins and outs of every game he logs into, then ****es and moans about the unfair and overpowered race/class combos until he plays said combo then begins bitching about it. Continually cheats, and is finally banned where upon he starts slinging mud in any way possible. His reviews are ****, as is his attitude. ####, he's not even a player of notable skill.

Just pretend he's not there Amnon, and he'll eventually move on to annoy some other admin staff.

Brody · 12-01-2003, 10:28 PM

He's also demonstrated his trollishness. He trolls for trouble, baits admins on their games, and here on TMS.

Let him stay under his bridge and move along.

John · 12-02-2003, 11:53 AM

I can't help myself

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Originally Posted by (soljax @ Dec. 01 2003,14:41)

From your attitude, Terloch, I can tell that you're a bad immortal. Immortals cannot take things personally ..... If someone insults you

A good immortal knows the difference between someone insulting them, constructive criticism, and a different opinion. A good immortal doesn't start handing out punishments for any of the above.

ROFL!!!!!!!

Really. I mean gosh. That's news to me. People shouldn't take personal insults personally. I've actually heard these sort of comments before and I stare in wonder at how someone can say that. Do they truly think Immortals are Immortal?

Valg · 12-02-2003, 02:32 PM

Soljax played Carrion Fields (and trolled our website) for a while, as Arvam mentioned above. He seems to believe that it's his right as a player to insult the staff, cheat when the opportunity arises, etc., but that the staff should be all-forgiving and pardon his indiscretions because he's a customer. He will write you weepy emails, complain about his persecution as vocally as allowed, invent conspiracy theories to explain his ineptitude at your game, and then go right back to the same behavior once you lift sanctions.

Hence his permanent ban, something we rarely use.

Afterwards, he tried the bad review game with us. We put a brief disclaimer on it, and were going to ignore it, but 12 of our players responded to his review. It's always heartening when karma shows itself.

Note to others in this thread: He craves attention. It's why he posts his "I'm a celebrity! Really! Why is everyone laughing?" threads. No matter how often you demonstrate he's a dime-a-dozen childish pest, he will claim his behavior was all a clever series of tests to see how you'd react. In other words, he's just testing how your MUD deals with immaturity so he can decide if it's good enough to play. If he breaks the rules of your game, as Amnon has described, just remove him quietly and without a big scene. Don't give him the acknowledgement he so desires.

This is my first and last post on this thread for that reason.

soljax · 12-07-2003, 12:22 AM

"he thinks he understands the ins and outs of every game he logs into"

Because I do. If I don't know something, I'll learn it faster then ####. I log onto a mud, pick a player that's been there for years and set my goal to beat his ass.

"then ****es and moans about the unfair and overpowered race/class combos until he plays said combo then begins bitching about it"

I can spot something that's not balanced or wrong a mile away. This is why I don't get along with most immstaff. I'll tell them straight up something is wrong, and they'll get ****ed because I've only played their mud a few weeks / days and I'm already finding **** wrong with it. Another failing is that most immstaff don't know jack or **** about game balance.

"Continually cheats, and is finally banned where upon he starts slinging mud in any way possible."

Why would I write a review while playing the mud? It's obvious that immstaff take criticism to heart. Writing an honest and critical review hwile playing a mud is like shooting yourself in the head. Read my review of Carrionfields. Read the responses. I write positive and honest things. The replies only flame me, and add nothing constructive. Read other reviews... they agree with me. CF is a cluster**** cacophony society. Interesting mud, wanted to try some siht.. but alas, the head-imm doesn't like it when you tell him his immstaff are idiots.

Plus, I don't cheat all that much. If I do cheat, I don't get caught. Carrionfields calls me a hardcore cheater, yet they've caught me legitimately cheating once (I dropped starting copper with a char, deleted, came back, and picked it up again). No, on CF cheating also involves disagreeing with imm's on their forums, cracking jokes on their newbie channel, and roleplaying a pimp. All of which I am guilty of.

"His reviews are ****, as is his attitude. "

My reviews are honest, if you'd like to dispute that then post an example.

"####, he's not even a player of notable skill."

If I were the person you've stereotyped me to be, then this would probably be the worst insult of the bunch. The fact is that I pride myself on different criteria: Namely learning muds quickly, finding bugs and having a strong desire to improve the game for the players. I don't randomly pk, I don't full loot, I'm not a grudge player. Based on these things, I think I am pretty skillful. Based on PK, I still think I'm pretty skillful... mostly because I'm creative and successful in my approaches.

The_Disciple · 12-07-2003, 01:18 AM

I log onto a mud, pick a player that's been there for years and set my goal to beat his ass.

It's nice to have goals. Let us know when you start reaching them.

I'm sorry, but your self-fellating post demonstrates to everyone precisely the kind of person and player you are. It does so more decisively and succinctly than could a thousand rebuttals.

Lest I be accused of being unclear, it doesn't make you look good, unless in some alternate world undeservedly arrogant is good.

Amnon · 12-07-2003, 03:29 AM

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If I do cheat, I don't get caught.

I caught you cheating 3 times the day you left my MUD, and again a couple days before. You were complaining, of course, that you didn't know, so I pointed you to the help rules file (A file which every newbie should check whenever he enters a MUD).

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I can spot something that's not balanced or wrong a mile away.

No, you spot things YOU see as wrong a mile away. This doesn't mean they ARE wrong, it just means YOU think of them as wrong, and since YOU don't run the game, YOUR opinion sometimes just doesn't count for ****.

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If I don't know something, I'll learn it faster then ####.

... Are you a 6 year-old? "I'm the best! I can learn faster than you!", you probably got beat up a lot at school, weren't you?

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Writing an honest and critical review hwile playing a mud is like shooting yourself in the head.

If the review is -truely- honest, I try to improve. If the review comes from someone like you, or people who have no grounds to write what they're saying (Like the one who said I was ignoring people... That's as far away from reality as it gets), I get angry. I have a right to when someone starts spreading lies.

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calls me a hardcore cheater, yet they've caught me legitimately cheating once.

So you admit to cheating more, just didn't get caught?

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having a strong desire to improve the game for the players.

Every player you encountered wanted to or left the game... That's not what I call improving.

All in all, you're just one of these people who think they're above everyone... mega arrogant, and it gets you into trouble. I know because I used to be one myself, a long time ago, so I'm gonna tell you one thing that MIGHT help you: People don't like being looked down upon. Try thinking about it some day, and maybe you'll make more friends around here.

Even if you do find something that's wrong, it's not always wrong in the eyes of the staff. Calling staff members idiots won't get you on anyone's good side, even if they are. Sometimes, you just have to accept the system, because nothing is perfect. Neither are you.

John · 12-07-2003, 05:32 AM

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Why would I write a review while playing the mud? ... Writing an honest and critical review while playing a mud is like shooting yourself in the head.

No. Writing an "honest" review is MUCH easier once your angry with the staff *rolleyes*

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Plus, I don't cheat all that much. If I do cheat, I don't get caught.

That somehow justifies it? Please stay away from muds I play in. I don't like playing with people whose attitude is "I don't get caught therefore I'm allowed to cheat"

Crystal · 12-07-2003, 07:07 AM

Quite amusing.

JilesDM · 12-07-2003, 09:15 AM

On a more.. pragmatic note..

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It's not often that you'll get someone trying to break down your game. That's actually pretty extraordinary. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that a "firewall" is the solution. If you've got people pinging ports.. just block um!

And... I recall that there's a siteban that works through the unix box that works immediately and won't even allow any sort of connection. If you siteban the range of IP's that are spamming you.. it'll stop, because you can't create much spam through a shell account.

None of those suggestions will do anything against a script kiddie with a decent number of zombied boxes. By the time the storm of packets generated by a D[R]DoS hits your box, all of your bandwidth is gone. Unless you have a direct T-3 (possibly even an OC-3 for large stables of cable zombies that do a combo DDoS/DRDoS) drop from your provider or one of the backbones, you'll be choked off at the bottleneck between your upstream provider and your server. The only possible way to stop a D[R]DoS while it is in progress is to work with your upstream provider to have the packets filtered at their end (this is assuming that they have an OC-3+ drop, which is unlikely for MUD hosting sites).

In short, a firewall on your end isnt' gonna do jack sh*t. If a script kiddie starts a serious D[R]DoS against your MUD, kick back, read a book, and pity the sysadmin who handles the network upon which your MUD resides.

12-07-2003, 05:32 PM

Disgruntled players don't start flame wars...

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>I DO!</span>

Well, I do and disgruntled admins who start flaming eachother on random internet forums. Kinda sad, isn't it?

soljax · 12-08-2003, 03:42 AM

Amnon says he didn't cheat,
Amnon said I cheated.

I say I didn't cheat,
I say Amnon cheated.

What a tangled web we weave. I can see this arguement is going places. With a lack of evidence on either side, I say we settle this like me...

Oh wait, I don't give two ****s either way.

I retract my accusatoins. Amnon doesn't cheat. Try his mud, you'll love it. =P If you don't, join the club.

Amnon · 12-08-2003, 04:13 AM

What are you TALKING about?! I had TONS of evidence you cheated! Almost everything you do in the game that can be tagged as cheating is logged...

Before you go saying you don't get caught, think twice before cheating, cause you got busted.

John · 12-08-2003, 07:58 AM

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I say I didn't cheat,

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I don't cheat all that much. If I do cheat, I don't get caught.

Indeed.

Alastair · 12-08-2003, 08:32 AM

Soljax, you are a riot.

I'm almost totally motivated into speeding up the coding of my own MUD so that I can open it exclusively to your enlightened playtesting.

In fact, would you like to beta-test it? If you do, I'd love you to bring along another player who can try it out a couple of months before you so that you have a goal to aspire to.

Please contact me asap. The MUD will be called HONEYPOT MUD, and if you're game, I'll make best efforts to open it sometimes in 2004.

Main IMP, head coder and administrator of HONEYPOT MUD
The 2nd BESTEST MUD in the whole global worldwide world - once it's finished!

soljax · 12-08-2003, 09:01 AM

Sure Alastair.

And John, stop trying to be so smart.

I'm gonna make good on my promise and stop squabbling about nothing.

John · 12-08-2003, 10:55 AM

Well done at having an intelligent conversation there soljax. Now I know why logos no longer posts here.

Alastair · 12-08-2003, 11:02 AM

I beg to differ on your interpretation of Matt's motivations.

Jazuela · 12-08-2003, 11:49 AM

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I beg to differ on your interpretation of Matt's motivations.

Keep begging, Alistair. It makes me feel all smushy inside.

Jazuela loves it when men beg.

Alastair · 12-08-2003, 11:56 AM

In that case, I beg your pardon, but my name is Alastair, not Alistair.

And that's all the begging you'll get for a while, so enjoy it.

12-14-2003, 07:55 PM

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Keep begging, Alistair. It makes me feel all smushy inside.

Jazuela loves it when men beg.

Seth thinks Jazuela looks silly when talking in third-person :-P

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12-01-2003, 10:18 PM	#32
Gihnral New Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8	Don't let it get to you Terloch. I would guess that all of the muds he's listed he's been kicked off of, including the one Amnon runs, he's done the same thing he did on the mud I play on. He thinks very highly of himself, he thinks he understands the ins and outs of every game he logs into, then **es and moans about the unfair and overpowered race/class combos until he plays said combo then begins bitching about it. Continually cheats, and is finally banned where upon he starts slinging mud in any way possible. His reviews are **, as is his attitude. ####, he's not even a player of notable skill. Just pretend he's not there Amnon, and he'll eventually move on to annoy some other admin staff.

12-01-2003, 10:28 PM	#33
Brody Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Alabama Home MUD: OtherSpace Posts: 1,582	He's also demonstrated his trollishness. He trolls for trouble, baits admins on their games, and here on TMS. Let him stay under his bridge and move along.

12-02-2003, 02:32 PM	#35
Valg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 643	Soljax played Carrion Fields (and trolled our website) for a while, as Arvam mentioned above. He seems to believe that it's his right as a player to insult the staff, cheat when the opportunity arises, etc., but that the staff should be all-forgiving and pardon his indiscretions because he's a customer. He will write you weepy emails, complain about his persecution as vocally as allowed, invent conspiracy theories to explain his ineptitude at your game, and then go right back to the same behavior once you lift sanctions. Hence his permanent ban, something we rarely use. Afterwards, he tried the bad review game with us. We put a brief disclaimer on it, and were going to ignore it, but 12 of our players responded to his review. It's always heartening when karma shows itself. Note to others in this thread: He craves attention. It's why he posts his "I'm a celebrity! Really! Why is everyone laughing?" threads. No matter how often you demonstrate he's a dime-a-dozen childish pest, he will claim his behavior was all a clever series of tests to see how you'd react. In other words, he's just testing how your MUD deals with immaturity so he can decide if it's good enough to play. If he breaks the rules of your game, as Amnon has described, just remove him quietly and without a big scene. Don't give him the acknowledgement he so desires. This is my first and last post on this thread for that reason.

12-07-2003, 12:22 AM	#36
soljax New Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 21	"he thinks he understands the ins and outs of every game he logs into" Because I do. If I don't know something, I'll learn it faster then ####. I log onto a mud, pick a player that's been there for years and set my goal to beat his ass. "then **es and moans about the unfair and overpowered race/class combos until he plays said combo then begins bitching about it" I can spot something that's not balanced or wrong a mile away. This is why I don't get along with most immstaff. I'll tell them straight up something is wrong, and they'll get ed because I've only played their mud a few weeks / days and I'm already finding wrong with it. Another failing is that most immstaff don't know jack or about game balance. "Continually cheats, and is finally banned where upon he starts slinging mud in any way possible." Why would I write a review while playing the mud? It's obvious that immstaff take criticism to heart. Writing an honest and critical review hwile playing a mud is like shooting yourself in the head. Read my review of Carrionfields. Read the responses. I write positive and honest things. The replies only flame me, and add nothing constructive. Read other reviews... they agree with me. CF is a cluster cacophony society. Interesting mud, wanted to try some siht.. but alas, the head-imm doesn't like it when you tell him his immstaff are idiots. Plus, I don't cheat all that much. If I do cheat, I don't get caught. Carrionfields calls me a hardcore cheater, yet they've caught me legitimately cheating once (I dropped starting copper with a char, deleted, came back, and picked it up again). No, on CF cheating also involves disagreeing with imm's on their forums, cracking jokes on their newbie channel, and roleplaying a pimp. All of which I am guilty of. "His reviews are **, as is his attitude. " My reviews are honest, if you'd like to dispute that then post an example. "####, he's not even a player of notable skill." If I were the person you've stereotyped me to be, then this would probably be the worst insult of the bunch. The fact is that I pride myself on different criteria: Namely learning muds quickly, finding bugs and having a strong desire to improve the game for the players. I don't randomly pk, I don't full loot, I'm not a grudge player. Based on these things, I think I am pretty skillful. Based on PK, I still think I'm pretty skillful... mostly because I'm creative and successful in my approaches.

12-07-2003, 01:18 AM	#37
The_Disciple Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 113	I log onto a mud, pick a player that's been there for years and set my goal to beat his ass. It's nice to have goals. Let us know when you start reaching them. I'm sorry, but your self-fellating post demonstrates to everyone precisely the kind of person and player you are. It does so more decisively and succinctly than could a thousand rebuttals. Lest I be accused of being unclear, it doesn't make you look good, unless in some alternate world undeservedly arrogant is good.

12-07-2003, 07:07 AM	#40
Crystal Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Name: Crystal Location: Maryland Home MUD: Advent of the Mists Posts: 126	Quite amusing.

12-07-2003, 05:32 PM	#42
Ingham Posts: n/a	Disgruntled players don't start flame wars... <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>I DO!</span> Well, I do and disgruntled admins who start flaming eachother on random internet forums. Kinda sad, isn't it?

12-08-2003, 03:42 AM	#43
soljax New Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 21	Amnon says he didn't cheat, Amnon said I cheated. I say I didn't cheat, I say Amnon cheated. What a tangled web we weave. I can see this arguement is going places. With a lack of evidence on either side, I say we settle this like me... Oh wait, I don't give two ****s either way. I retract my accusatoins. Amnon doesn't cheat. Try his mud, you'll love it. =P If you don't, join the club.

12-08-2003, 04:13 AM	#44
Amnon Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 140	What are you TALKING about?! I had TONS of evidence you cheated! Almost everything you do in the game that can be tagged as cheating is logged... Before you go saying you don't get caught, think twice before cheating, cause you got busted.

12-08-2003, 08:32 AM	#46
Alastair Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 120	Soljax, you are a riot. I'm almost totally motivated into speeding up the coding of my own MUD so that I can open it exclusively to your enlightened playtesting. In fact, would you like to beta-test it? If you do, I'd love you to bring along another player who can try it out a couple of months before you so that you have a goal to aspire to. Please contact me asap. The MUD will be called HONEYPOT MUD, and if you're game, I'll make best efforts to open it sometimes in 2004. Main IMP, head coder and administrator of HONEYPOT MUD The 2nd BESTEST MUD in the whole global worldwide world - once it's finished!

12-08-2003, 09:01 AM	#47
soljax New Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 21	Sure Alastair. And John, stop trying to be so smart. I'm gonna make good on my promise and stop squabbling about nothing.

12-08-2003, 10:55 AM	#48
John Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 252	Well done at having an intelligent conversation there soljax. Now I know why logos no longer posts here.

12-08-2003, 11:02 AM	#49
Alastair Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 120	I beg to differ on your interpretation of Matt's motivations.

12-08-2003, 11:56 AM	#51
Alastair Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 120	In that case, I beg your pardon, but my name is Alastair, not Alistair. And that's all the begging you'll get for a while, so enjoy it.

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