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Old 09-13-2003, 02:13 PM   #35
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Delerak wrote: Delerak wrote:
So now you've gone from comparing the blood spilt for 'stupid beliefs' in Europe and the US to the blood spilt anywhere in the world by America since 1776 with the blood spilt by any single European country since 1776. Nice little series of revisions you've made there, subsequent to being demonstrated as clueless over and over.

Fine. Germany and Russia. Both have spilled WAY more since 1776 than America ever has. How many times do people have to say this to you: 10s of millions killed by Germany alone in WWII. 20-60 million killed by Stalin.

The US doesn't even come close, and frankly, putting the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and don't forget Tokyo in which American B52s killed almost as many people with conventional bombs) in the same category as Hitler's aggression is just dumb. Hitler's war was pure, naked aggression. The American attack on Japan happened only after Japan attacked America with no good reason.

Intellectual dishonesty to support your political position is just sad. America sucks in many, many ways. But there can be no doubt that the blood spilled in America (which was your original argument despite your attempts to wriggle out of it) pales in comparison to Europe, which was essentially one big battleground for 2000 years, and that the blood spilled by America since 1776 pales in comparison to both Europe as a whole and some individual European countries.

--matt
(I chose not to move my post because Tavern of the Blue Hand is explicitly for discussion of whatever you want. )
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