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DonathinFrye · 01-05-2006, 04:26 AM

I've thought about my presence here in this forum some, and will say this to some responses.

Matt, I admittedly allow my lack of trust and my sensitive nerve about what I consider to be condescending statements made by you to other MUDers on forums to get the better of me. I, therefor, do tend to push to the point where I am no less condescending than you, merely on the other political/economic-view spectrum as you. Therefor, I will cut the condescension, though it does not change my opinion of you, Vryce, or a few other such people.

Spoke - your post was something that I read, re-read, and decided I liked parts of. I should not try to claim to be the voice of the whole community - however, this is done, in part, because the loudest and most vocal members of these threads are(largely) the ones that I feel are the most selfish and least helpful to the community. It's something I am willing to drop, again, as most of this forum's most vocal players are loyal to the dominant groups of this particular forum, which happen to be the larger commercial MUDs.

Lanthum begs a little response as well, before I back off a bit from what seems to be an overly sensitive subject(fairness and community, that is).

Before I correct you, I'll say that of course I have the right to tell people my opinion. That is what opinion forums are for, silly.

Moving on; I have nothing against commercial MUDs, and as you noted am even working on a commercial project. I am merely an advocate of not forcing non-commercial MUDs to compete with commercial MUDs for voter ranking(hence the concept of having two seperate lists). I am also against commercial systems that advertise themselves misleadingly as something most players would assume to be non-commercial. I am also against commercial systems that give huge game mechanic bonuses to players who put out real money, making it *nearly* impossible to become competitive in such games without devoting many years to working yourselves up to something someone else can buy easily. I find these things unethical. I am not, however, against commercial gaming in the slightest - graphical mmorpgs are, by design, meant to suck money out of the player. They are boxed and mass-produced and given "expansion-packs" for this reason. You come to expect this from them. You should not come to expect this from text-based MUDing, as it is not our origins, nor is it what most MUDs strive for. That is my point.

All points made from here-on-out will specificy that I am not the voice of the entire community, and I will avoid "thumping my chest" at Matt/Vryce/anyone else that I have issues involving their ethics/etc.

01-05-2006, 04:26 AM	#162
DonathinFrye Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Name: Donathin Frye Location: Columbus, OH Home MUD: Optional Realities Home MUD: Atonement RPI Home MUD: Project Redshift Posts: 510	I've thought about my presence here in this forum some, and will say this to some responses. Matt, I admittedly allow my lack of trust and my sensitive nerve about what I consider to be condescending statements made by you to other MUDers on forums to get the better of me. I, therefor, do tend to push to the point where I am no less condescending than you, merely on the other political/economic-view spectrum as you. Therefor, I will cut the condescension, though it does not change my opinion of you, Vryce, or a few other such people. Spoke - your post was something that I read, re-read, and decided I liked parts of. I should not try to claim to be the voice of the whole community - however, this is done, in part, because the loudest and most vocal members of these threads are(largely) the ones that I feel are the most selfish and least helpful to the community. It's something I am willing to drop, again, as most of this forum's most vocal players are loyal to the dominant groups of this particular forum, which happen to be the larger commercial MUDs. Lanthum begs a little response as well, before I back off a bit from what seems to be an overly sensitive subject(fairness and community, that is). Before I correct you, I'll say that of course I have the right to tell people my opinion. That is what opinion forums are for, silly. Moving on; I have nothing against commercial MUDs, and as you noted am even working on a commercial project. I am merely an advocate of not forcing non-commercial MUDs to compete with commercial MUDs for voter ranking(hence the concept of having two seperate lists). I am also against commercial systems that advertise themselves misleadingly as something most players would assume to be non-commercial. I am also against commercial systems that give huge game mechanic bonuses to players who put out real money, making it nearly impossible to become competitive in such games without devoting many years to working yourselves up to something someone else can buy easily. I find these things unethical. I am not, however, against commercial gaming in the slightest - graphical mmorpgs are, by design, meant to suck money out of the player. They are boxed and mass-produced and given "expansion-packs" for this reason. You come to expect this from them. You should not come to expect this from text-based MUDing, as it is not our origins, nor is it what most MUDs strive for. That is my point. All points made from here-on-out will specificy that I am not the voice of the entire community, and I will avoid "thumping my chest" at Matt/Vryce/anyone else that I have issues involving their ethics/etc.