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somied · 02-07-2006, 07:54 AM

As you said, declaring guilt within the context of this situation is completely up to the owner of this site. That's why I'm not disputing the actual ban, or even the evidence which he took into account to make his decision. Of course, "guilt" here only implies that the evidence was good enough to warrant a ban in his opinion, which does not constitute fact. And actuallly, if you'll read the first email on the list in the correspondence between him and Vassago, the reasons given for MM's suspension were all 'suspicious behavior', and not 'illegal activity'. That in and of itself is enough to prove my point, but in case you're still not convinced, consider this:

If I happen to go purchase a 9mm, black ski mask, and duffle bag this Friday and some other person with the same items robs the First National Bank downtown that same day, I'll surely be a suspect when they find out, but when push comes to shove I'd never be found guilty based solely on this evidence, because - yes, that's right kiddies - it's only circumstantial. Now having said that, if I was the one who robbed the bank, and that's all the evidence they had against me, I would still never be found guilty for the same exact reason.

As you can see (well, at least a few of you I hope... some of you are just too stubborn) whether or not MM actually did it isn't the question - it's whether or not any of you can prove it, and thus far the answer to that is no.

I'm sorry, you seem to be extremely misinformed. The burden of proof rests on the prosecution, not the defense. That is how it's been in every legal situation in every uncorrupted justice system that has ever existed since the dawn of time, bar none (and I can say this, because I did specify uncorrupted). It is also common sense, but I won't elaborate on that because it's a trait some of you are obviously lacking or choosing to ignore.

[edit] And by the way, The_Disciple is Al Qaeda's #1 go-to-guy here in the States. It's obviously true because I said so, and I don't have to prove it, he should just be executed for treason because he can't prove his innocence.

02-07-2006, 07:54 AM	#85
somied New Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 28	As you said, declaring guilt within the context of this situation is completely up to the owner of this site. That's why I'm not disputing the actual ban, or even the evidence which he took into account to make his decision. Of course, "guilt" here only implies that the evidence was good enough to warrant a ban in his opinion, which does not constitute fact. And actuallly, if you'll read the first email on the list in the correspondence between him and Vassago, the reasons given for MM's suspension were all 'suspicious behavior', and not 'illegal activity'. That in and of itself is enough to prove my point, but in case you're still not convinced, consider this: If I happen to go purchase a 9mm, black ski mask, and duffle bag this Friday and some other person with the same items robs the First National Bank downtown that same day, I'll surely be a suspect when they find out, but when push comes to shove I'd never be found guilty based solely on this evidence, because - yes, that's right kiddies - it's only circumstantial. Now having said that, if I was the one who robbed the bank, and that's all the evidence they had against me, I would still never be found guilty for the same exact reason. As you can see (well, at least a few of you I hope... some of you are just too stubborn) whether or not MM actually did it isn't the question - it's whether or not any of you can prove it, and thus far the answer to that is no. I'm sorry, you seem to be extremely misinformed. The burden of proof rests on the prosecution, not the defense. That is how it's been in every legal situation in every uncorrupted justice system that has ever existed since the dawn of time, bar none (and I can say this, because I did specify uncorrupted). It is also common sense, but I won't elaborate on that because it's a trait some of you are obviously lacking or choosing to ignore. [edit] And by the way, The_Disciple is Al Qaeda's #1 go-to-guy here in the States. It's obviously true because I said so, and I don't have to prove it, he should just be executed for treason because he can't prove his innocence.