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Molly · 10-10-2002, 01:00 PM

*sigh*
I am getting rather tired of this discussion, since it doesn't look like you are even trying to grasp what i am saying. But I'll have one more try at explaining.

The difference between your two scenarios should be rather obvious. Mr X spends 10 hours working ACTIVELY on the mud and IMPROVING it (not promoting it), even if it is formally outside the game Port. Mr Y spends the same time doing something totally unrelated. That's where I draw the line, whether the time is spent on the mud or not.

I don't really care if Mr Y spends the time flipping burgers or playing golf or having sex with his girlfriend, what matters in this case is that he does NOT spend it on the mud. And I don't care if he earns the money he uses for the donation flipping burgers or working as a brain surgeon or just got it from his pa. I still don't think that buying in-game benefits for RL money is a good idea.

But if it makes you happier, I don't really like the scenario with Mr X either, it's on the borderline of what's acceptable. In our mud we 'pay' our Builders with either a gold token (= questpoints) or an imm char, for completing a 100 room zone. Building a 100 room zone, with the quality standards we have, means at least 100 hours active work, and that time is spent within the mud. So far we haven't 'paid' anybody either for designing the website, or updating it. So I guess that in our case the requisition is 100 hours of work spent WITHIN the mud.

And, I want to stress, what we 'pay' is still not really game advantages, it just allows you to get a few things that add to your 'status', and possibly make life a bit easier, but which are far from necessary to reach a top spot on the mud. The exact same things can also be achieved in several different ways within the mud.

And now that I hopefully cleared up this point, perhaps you'd grace the community with your opinion about my scenario with the two 100 m runners, which I think EXACTLY addresses the matter at hand: Should you be able to buy game advantages for money?

Is the scenario fair? Unfair? Motivations?

10-10-2002, 01:00 PM	#74
Molly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Home MUD: 4 Dimensions Posts: 574	sigh I am getting rather tired of this discussion, since it doesn't look like you are even trying to grasp what i am saying. But I'll have one more try at explaining. The difference between your two scenarios should be rather obvious. Mr X spends 10 hours working ACTIVELY on the mud and IMPROVING it (not promoting it), even if it is formally outside the game Port. Mr Y spends the same time doing something totally unrelated. That's where I draw the line, whether the time is spent on the mud or not. I don't really care if Mr Y spends the time flipping burgers or playing golf or having sex with his girlfriend, what matters in this case is that he does NOT spend it on the mud. And I don't care if he earns the money he uses for the donation flipping burgers or working as a brain surgeon or just got it from his pa. I still don't think that buying in-game benefits for RL money is a good idea. But if it makes you happier, I don't really like the scenario with Mr X either, it's on the borderline of what's acceptable. In our mud we 'pay' our Builders with either a gold token (= questpoints) or an imm char, for completing a 100 room zone. Building a 100 room zone, with the quality standards we have, means at least 100 hours active work, and that time is spent within the mud. So far we haven't 'paid' anybody either for designing the website, or updating it. So I guess that in our case the requisition is 100 hours of work spent WITHIN the mud. And, I want to stress, what we 'pay' is still not really game advantages, it just allows you to get a few things that add to your 'status', and possibly make life a bit easier, but which are far from necessary to reach a top spot on the mud. The exact same things can also be achieved in several different ways within the mud. And now that I hopefully cleared up this point, perhaps you'd grace the community with your opinion about my scenario with the two 100 m runners, which I think EXACTLY addresses the matter at hand: Should you be able to buy game advantages for money? Is the scenario fair? Unfair? Motivations?