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Valg · 09-01-2007, 08:33 AM

1) It's rude to categorize the people advocating the multiple-category system as simply "yelling the loudest". Address the argument, instead of consistently trying to marginalize its supporters.

2) No one has shown an example of a game which was not trivial to categorize by KaVir's suggestions. Every MUD proposed has been rapidly marked in the four-category system without controversy. That suggests the model is using criteria that are neither inaccurate nor vague. Most importantly, it uses criteria that players certainly do care about-- whether or not you acknowledge a difference between mandatory-fee, pay-for-perks, and selling T-shirts on a website, the people using the search function certainly do.

3) In contrast, you haven't addressed the fact that a search function that returns 95%+ of TMS's MUDs in one category is not useful to searchers. Equating a MUD that wouldn't refuse a voluntary donation to DragonRealms ($50-$75/month plus optional perks) is ridiculous-- I'd care about that difference, and I'm relatively wealthy by US standards. Most high school or college students would care, as would a lot of adults who don't have a lot to spare for entertainment. You might as well be suggesting "MUDs with vowels in their name" as a criterion. That would be very factual, easily verifiable.... and completely useless.

09-01-2007, 08:33 AM	#303
Valg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: Carrion Fields Posts: 643	Re: What does "Free" Mean? 1) It's rude to categorize the people advocating the multiple-category system as simply "yelling the loudest". Address the argument, instead of consistently trying to marginalize its supporters. 2) No one has shown an example of a game which was not trivial to categorize by KaVir's suggestions. Every MUD proposed has been rapidly marked in the four-category system without controversy. That suggests the model is using criteria that are neither inaccurate nor vague. Most importantly, it uses criteria that players certainly do care about-- whether or not you acknowledge a difference between mandatory-fee, pay-for-perks, and selling T-shirts on a website, the people using the search function certainly do. 3) In contrast, you haven't addressed the fact that a search function that returns 95%+ of TMS's MUDs in one category is not useful to searchers. Equating a MUD that wouldn't refuse a voluntary donation to DragonRealms ($50-$75/month plus optional perks) is ridiculous-- I'd care about that difference, and I'm relatively wealthy by US standards. Most high school or college students would care, as would a lot of adults who don't have a lot to spare for entertainment. You might as well be suggesting "MUDs with vowels in their name" as a criterion. That would be very factual, easily verifiable.... and completely useless.