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Stilton · 06-05-2003, 04:06 PM

KaVir responding to Tyche:
Straw man eh?

Indeed, please read his posts, starting with the one from Posted: June 05 2003,07:53:
and then
Are you saying that a reasonable reader should not infer from that post that you were defending the use of IP under the terms you describe in it?

and finally, in his most recent post:
KaVir, in that post and others, attempts extensively to justify the proposition that not knowing whether you have permission (particularly if others have done it before and gotten away with it) gives you some kind of grey area where using the IP isn't really a problem "at least until such point as the copyright holders clarify their position."

As Tyche observes, the people KaVir is arguing with here are using pretty much the same arguments he has been using for years against the pro-Med crowd.

I do happily agree that a violator's position is worse once the IP holder tells you to stop. I do not accept that they have to clarify their position for you before they have any rights.

Now where's Dulan...

Stilton

Edit: From KaVir's recent posts, it's starting to be unclear to me whether he's defending Traithe's use of IP as permissible or simply listing arguments that COULD be made (devil's advocate if he's now saying he doesn't believe them to be valid?), and then objecting to third parties stepping in before the IP holder has weighed in themselves.

06-05-2003, 04:06 PM	#135
Stilton Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 100	KaVir responding to Tyche: Straw man eh? Indeed, please read his posts, starting with the one from Posted: June 05 2003,07:53: and then Are you saying that a reasonable reader should not infer from that post that you were defending the use of IP under the terms you describe in it? and finally, in his most recent post: KaVir, in that post and others, attempts extensively to justify the proposition that not knowing whether you have permission (particularly if others have done it before and gotten away with it) gives you some kind of grey area where using the IP isn't really a problem "at least until such point as the copyright holders clarify their position." As Tyche observes, the people KaVir is arguing with here are using pretty much the same arguments he has been using for years against the pro-Med crowd. I do happily agree that a violator's position is worse once the IP holder tells you to stop. I do not accept that they have to clarify their position for you before they have any rights. Now where's Dulan... Stilton Edit: From KaVir's recent posts, it's starting to be unclear to me whether he's defending Traithe's use of IP as permissible or simply listing arguments that COULD be made (devil's advocate if he's now saying he doesn't believe them to be valid?), and then objecting to third parties stepping in before the IP holder has weighed in themselves.