[Fizban]

Err? Are you really dense enough to be trying to claim that NiMUD is not derived from Merc and therefore indirectly from DIKU? I assure you, codebases which are derived from DIKU still are licensed under the DIKU license.

As a general rule when two licenses conflict the stricter of the two takes precedence. In this case it is a moot point as licensing DIKU derived material as GPL is hands down, 100%, illegal.

The DIKU Team had access to a copy of Medievia's code and stated with 100% certainty that it was DIKU derived.

You'd be hard pressed to prove that there are even ten thousand mudders today. There are absolutely not ten thousand MUD admin today, let alone ten thousand using OLC's derived from NiMUD's.

[Samson]

Yes, he is dense enough. Go look at his Google project page:

Those of us who are sane know this, but I think we've pretty well established Locke is not sane.

[locke]

That quote about precedence is not on my project page.

[locke]

Um, ok dude. I think the OLC has had 10,000+ users since 1993 easily. There have been as many as 20000 active muds before, so this number is pretty low.


Merc, Rot, Rom, Emlen, Nimuds currently listed on mudconnect: ~200

Lets say 2 people use OLC per mud, that means there are at least 400 users currently using OLC, probably more since 2 is a conservative figure. Plus, it doesn't include QuickMUD or 1stMUD listings.

Oh by the way I forgot about VoRMUD (Void of Reality) which is a NiMUD derivative bringing the number of derivatives to 5, and I also forgot the italian translation of NiMUD made by Fabrizio Baldi, it is called Lyonesse 1.0 and is now bringing the number to 6.

[locke]

This is not a court order, then. Hey did you know that "Diku concepts" can't be copyrighted, patented or trademarked? That part of their license falls out of any jurisdictive governance.

[Samson]

This assumption is based on there being any shred of believable evidence that you wrote the OLC all those codebases use. Since no such evidence exists, it's entirely possible the number of people using your OLC is exactly 1: Yourself.

The Diku team also does not need a court order to view code that's been provided to them and certify that the code is in fact theirs.

And I don't think anyone here believes for one second that you're in communication with them on this because I'm pretty sure they'd tell you you can go to hell for trying to steal their code the way you are right now.

[locke]

This is an existentialist argument like "Am I really here or is this just a hallucination?"

Evidence:

1) You know that the ROMolc, EnvyOLC and ILAB/OLCs all come with my name on it.

2)



The US Copyright office reviewed this and approved it. (notice the period)

Well yes -- they do! Otherwise, it's been handled out of court and is not certified. It's hard to ask for tangible remuneration from free software unless Vryce made money. If he made money, then they have grounds to sue. If he did not, it's hardly worth the court's time, is it?

[Fizban]

Umm? No. Lyonesse is a CircleMUD/Smaug derivative (a combination of the two) which features Oasis OLC.

[Fizban]

Vryce made enough money off of Medievia to supprt his household. He admitted as much on several occasions.

[locke]

It seems to be still actively developed. A long time ago it (~1999?) was NiMUD 4.0 as the base (Thus, it was originally using my OLC and server) .. note: it talks about OLC here, but I haven't found either Smaug building or OLC in the code. I assume it now has CircleMUD building (Oasis OLC) -- but I can't seem to find exactly where that is. It purports to have taken obj_to_obj() from Smaug.

[Fizban]

That does not state it is derived from NiMUD, only that it borrowed idea from NiMUD (ideas can not be copyrighted, only the actual implementation, so borrowing ideas does not mean derivation).

A copy of Lyonesse is available on mudbytes and has the following caption:

It includes Oasis OLC, and not any OLC that is derived from NiMUD.

[locke]

Well, a previous version which is no longer available used NiMUD 4.0 as its starting point. I am searching through my archives of mudolc.org where I hosted a copy (but I don't really feel like digging around for that).



I know this because that is around the time I started mentioning it in NiMUD-related descriptions.

It looks like it was most active during 2002:

It uses my numberize() function, as well as all of the objective money code from NiMUD 4.0

[locke]

LOL CLASSIC NIMUD WEB GRAPHICS!

[prof1515]

Would one of the site moderators please delete this spamming thief's account? It's tiresome to see his delusional lies about some ****-poor codebase that no one uses constantly posted about on the forums.

[locke]

I have to say that even Hans doesn't stoop low enough to call me a "thief"

[Samson]

1. We know how you go about getting people to erroneously credit you though, so #1 means all of jack ****. Harrassing honest MUD operators into adding your credits when the code isn't even yours doesn't mean much to those of us with brains who know better.

2. Registering the NiMUD OLC does not provide proof that you own the copyright to anything else you keep claiming is derived from it. You have yet to provide such evidence, therefore nobody in their right mind has any reason to take your word for it.

Then perhaps he needs to be informed that you in fact are one, because everything I know about him would suggest you haven't spoken to him at all.

[Samson]

That would be nice. Delete the thread and ban the code thief. Or is piracy endorsed?

[locke]

I think that no matter what I say, Samson, you'll insult me and refute it. Goodbye, troll.

[Milawe]

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but if you didn't create 5 different threads about NiMUD and the OLC stuff, Samson would be craftily contained to one single thread. So if he were indeed a troll, you're feeding him big fat billy goats over and over.

Baaaa!

[Threshold]

The US Copyright office does not review or approve copyright filings. They just handle the paperwork and file it for later reference. They do not verify the veracity of any claim for copyright. It is glorified document storage. It is worth doing (and is extremely easy, fast, and cheap), but it does not constitute ratification of copyright ownership by the US Government.

I could send in a copyright filing right now that said I owned the copyright to Harry Potter, and it would most likely be accepted and filed. But when I tried to enforce the copyright, I'd get owned.