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Old 01-20-2006, 03:52 PM   #1
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Rauvyon MUD is a DIKU derivative who is accepting 'major' donations and has removed all or most of the DIKU credits.

Am I crazy or are they are in violation?
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:30 PM   #2
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I am curious. What proof do you have that their MUD is a DikuMUD? Or are you perhaps just trying to start a flame war?

Before accusing anyone to break the law you might want to consider finding some proof first. As it is now your post is nothing but a flame bait and typical trolling behaviour(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_trolling).

Edit: A side note here. Just because a MUD might have the "Diku feel" doesn't magically make it a DikuMUD. Of course many custom MUDs are inspired by Diku which has some nice properties. If we were able to shutdown all MUDs with the "diku feel" the genre would soon stop evolve. It would die.

In the case of MUDs you'll usually see similar interfaces. It is the same as when you use Microsoft Word and OpenOffice. In many ways they are alike, in many others they are different and have their own story and style.

Also as yet a side note. DIKU don't have sole rights to the MUD concept. Richard A. Bartle was one of the early inventors of MUD and he let the concept be free.
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:45 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by (Aeran @ Jan. 20 2006,22:30)
I am curious. What proof do you have that their MUD is a DikuMUD?
You mean, other than the fact that they list their codebase on TMC as "Dikumud", that they have a "diku" help file listing the Diku credits, and that they include the following in their login sequence?

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Original DikuMUD by Hans Staerfeldt, Katja Nyboe, Tom Madsen, Michael
Seifert, and Sebastian Hammer. Based on MERC 2.1 code by Hatchet, Furey,
and Kahn, and also based on ROM 2.3 code written by Alander.
All source code is copyrighted by their respective authors, and SOD code
is copyrighed by Aaron Brace 1996-2001.
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:55 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Aeran,Jan. 20 2006,22:30
I am curious. What proof do you have that their MUD is a DikuMUD?
You mean, other than the fact that they list their codebase on TMC as "Dikumud", that they have a "diku" help file listing the Diku credits, and that they include the following in their login sequence?

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Originally Posted by
Original DikuMUD by Hans Staerfeldt, Katja Nyboe, Tom Madsen, Michael
Seifert, and Sebastian Hammer. Based on MERC 2.1 code by Hatchet, Furey,
and Kahn, and also based on ROM 2.3 code written by Alander.
All source code is copyrighted by their respective authors, and SOD code
is copyrighed by Aaron Brace 1996-2001.
argh. Isn't it against the Diku License to have the credits AFTER you create an account? . Well obviously they might be breaking the license then. I am so tired of all these license wars. Why couldn't the OP been a flamer starter? But I have seen many cases where people have accused MUDs on the "look & feel" alone.

In zMUD they are listed as "[Custom] SOD. Fully multi threaded." so you get the idea that it is a custom engine.

Sorry for accusing you ShadowMaster . Still you should post more proof when accusing someone for breaking the license.
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Old 01-20-2006, 05:10 PM   #5
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Isn't it against the Diku License to have the credits AFTER you create an account? :p.
No, although if they were using ROM 2.4 instead of ROM 2.3 then they'd have had to have put that on the front screen.
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:28 PM   #6
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Actually thats the whole reason I posted. They listed themselves on every MUD listing as 'custom'. I had to email the TMC admin to have them change it to DIKUmud.

If you type donation in game you can see they are making money and have been for some time. They are rewarding those accounts that donate with varying color coded 'stars' but we all know the imms won't give them special treatment

No biggie, if they are in compliance, great, but reading them listing themselves as 'custom' everywhere made me believe they might be doing worse.
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